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[anamuan]

I'm a storm cloud :D

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[acchikocchi]

I mean, I'm sure that's not what every Akame-only fan thinks, of course. But the unfortunate encounters I've had - where I've been told not to bash Kame or Akame before I even said anything more than "interesting post, I want to comment when I have more time!", or where even though it's known that I've written and enjoyed reading a lot of Akame fic it's been assumed I don't like Kame - have all been with Akame-only fans. asjdlksd I say this like it's a big deal - it's not, just one of those thinigs that's a minor irritation or annoyance at first and starts to get to you after several repetitions.

But then there are wonderful people like winterspel and ina who are most definitely Akame fans but are sooo far from the stereotypes. They're both open to reading other pairings, they're not teenagers, they don't think Akame is "real", they're not into that idealistic one and only true love soulmate thing. So rather than say they're special exceptions that don't count or something, I'll say instead that not all Akame fans are like that. :D

(In a way that's also amusing because no Akame fan, Akame-only or not, would ever say that winterspel didn't count as a real fan, despite the fact that she's read and written other pairings. It's an interesting thing.)

My Pikame thoughts are going to have to wait at least a few minutes while I try and get them in order. It's turning out to be much harder than I anticipated. XD

Koki/Kame - the fanservice is too much and too blatant - it's so obvious that they're like "okay, so the fangirls like this kind of thing? OKAY, LET'S RAISE OUR POPULARITY BY LAYING IT ON REALLY THICK." All fanservice is fake, obviously, but for some reason it really jumps out at me with these guys. And then I'm not exactly Koki's biggest fan in general, so I'm less likely to cut him slack. XD I feel like in general he's trying too hard. I've watched him bounce from Jin to Yamapi (Byakkotai-era) to Kame, fanservice-wise, depending on who's popular and none of them ever really worked - like I said, too much. (For example, the kissing shot with Kame in Myojo.) I like the guy all right, but I feel like he doesn't really get it, somehow. Maybe if he figured out an approach better suited to his persona... gangster-fanservice, perhaps. XD

[anamuan]

I wonder what their experiences have been like to make them assume something like that right off the bat, and if they're going from times they've personally been burned, or if it's more of a general hearsay kind of thing.

Actually, i've kind of wondered, and it's probably an impossible question for anyone to answer, but. How do people get associated with certain pairings like that. What about winterspel makes her an authentic akame fan, despite the things she does that would normally disqualify someone from that category?

OKAY, LET'S RAISE OUR POPULARITY BY LAYING IT ON REALLY THICK."
sorry, in my head that was accompanied by totally inappropriate koyama and tegoshi enthusiastic fist pumping motions.

gangster-fanservice
*dies* too awesome, oh god. but he's such a fail!gangsta too.

[acchikocchi]

It seems to me to be both - observing certain incidents and (as people are prone to do!) applying them to the whole group, hearing other fans talk in a certain way, and then inferring things from fic.

Well, as far of the views of the type of fan I'm referring to goes - winterspel was one of the only really good Akame writers for a long time and built up, as she said, a hefty body of Akame fic, including an "epic", so even though she has written, read, and discussed various other pairings including Pin, she's already established her "cred" as an Akame fan. (And I know she hates that idea, ahahahaha, so I should make it clear that I'm only trying to explain how I see a certain way of thinking to work, not what I think! or what she thinks!) Similarly, I've written a massive Pin story (one that, incidentally, didn't treat Kame satisfactorily in the eyes of some Akame fans), so even though I've written, read, and discussed Akame since, I'm going to be categorized as a Pin fan and come in for the same judgements as other primarily Pin fans, unless I get to know each Akame fan who thinks so individually and prove otherwise.

According to my sources, that is. ;)

[acchikocchi]

oh! there is one thing I'm curious about - some of the akame fans here have said, "except for tokyostory" - which makes me curious, is it the strength of her writing? or perceptions about her treatment of the akame relationship? or a perceived lack of association with "bad Pin fan" cliques? or what? that's the one that I don't know about from observation!

[anamuan]

I guess that's a good point. I mean, I do associate people (particularly the ones I don't know) with the fic I've seen them write; i personally just tend not to think that it really means much of anything because negative evidence isn't really, not by itself.

Ok, so maybe this is just because I haven't re-read that fic since I sent the edited version to mycroftnext, but. Which parts treated Kame unsatisfactorily?

I really have no idea. I can try and direct some of the ones who mentioned that over here and maybe we can get some ideas.

[lion]

It may be that I went through a period of not liking Akame at all (loosely aligned to just after Jin returned from LA, curiously, when their relationship was actually better!) and during that time, I wrote a ton of Pin. I do like Akame a lot, but it's only recently that I've started to write it again. I think I'm associated mainly with writing Pin, really. Intriguing, though!

[acchikocchi]

Oh, I think you are, too! I mean, I know you like Akame, you've talked about it before and written it, and everything, but not to the extent of Pin. I was mainly musing aloud about - since your name came up a couple times elsewhere in the post - whether Akame fans find you more approachable (in light of the mentions of Pin cliquishness that have come up) or what it is about your take on Pin that they find acceptable when Pin generally doesn't work for them - meta-ing about you, ahahaha, sorry. :D

[gingifere]

I don't really know how to explain it. But its in part of the style of her writing-as I've said before I love my pairings to have some conflict and tokyostory's pin is edgy enough for me as I find Pin mostly off putting because to me it feels like nothing more than stupidity and smut. Idk. Just I would willingly read her Pin because I enjoy the way she views them.

[acchikocchi]

:D okay, thanks for that! makes sense to me. :) I think what you say about stupidity and smut (picked up on that phrase because I noticed you use it before) is probably analogous to what non-Akame fans think about Akame - "oh, Akame, it's all angst or overblown one true love stuff" which of course is not true at all - and non-Pin fans think something along the line of what you're saying - "oh, Pin, it's all stupidity and smut." I do know that you've read Pin, so I'm sure you know that's not always the case - I mean, of course you do, that's what you just said about tokyostory! - that was just a general observation. ;)

anyway! thank you for indulging my curiosity.

[matchynishi]

Well, I find pin off-putting primarily because most of it is written as best friends who are kind of like dumb-and-dumber, then they have sex, then go back to being dumb-and-dumber alskjfdfj idk, I can't read it like that. ._. tokyostory doesn't just have the 'happy bff :D'-only genre to her writing, and Pi and Jin are more real salkf and it isn't nearly as horrifying. I am explaining it badly. :( Sorry. :(

[acchikocchi]

*dies* not as horrifying. ilu matchy.

[matchynishi]

asldjfdlk i am really glad you love me still. :(

[acchikocchi]

ksjalds what, of course i love you still! omg. D: ♥ ♥ ♥

[imwahyou]

!!!
I like Koki/Kame, but I have to agree that Koki needs to learn to be more subtle... and less fickle. xD

Also, wow. Uhm. I can't believe people have actually said all of that "don't bash Akame/Kame" crap to you. I don't know you personally but to me, you come off as a really really nice person. xD You're not the vicious kind... and idk, actually, I can't imagine you bashing anyone/anything. :/// (lol, and even if you have, I don't think my opinion would change. xD) Plus... didn't you have that Shuuji!Kame icon as your default for the longest time? Sorry, stalker. :X It doesn't click that you would randomly wank about Kame. I wonder how many people have the preconception that any Pin fan = Kame hater.

Sorry, a lot of this is really presumptuous cause I don't know you at all. :XX

*sneaks in, sneaks out*

[anamuan]

I have to agree that Koki needs to learn to be more subtle... and less fickle.
excuses for koki smutfic~

(more seriously)
I wonder how many people have the preconception that any Pin fan = Kame hater.
now i wonder too.

Re: *sneaks in, sneaks out*

[imwahyou]

Ehehehe. I've found that I only really like Koki with Kame or Jin, but I'm kinda biased, idk. xD

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Actually, I've been trying to figure out if I've personally contributed to that image of Pin fans. x___x For example, (because I think you can relate to this or at least you've witnessed it before?) everyone likes to poke fun at Rhey and her thing for Kame, but as far as I know, it's always been behind locked posts or private conversations. But I get this feeling that there might have been one time where we weren't careful and maybe we were spamming away in a community thread and somehow came off as really horrible Kame haters. :/ In a way, all of this discussion makes me feel like I haven't been careful enough when it comes to unintentionally offending people. At the same time of course, it's my prerogative to make jokes and have fun because this is just fandom, right? Poking fun is an honest sign of affection if you're comfortable with someone, so... I don't know, lol. Just rambling~