can somebody please kill him again?
So, it's that time of the night when I go through with mild to moderately questionable ideas. Like, collecting writing prompts from all over the place and putting a big shiny table together for the purpose of writing ficlet-y things
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And as far as Teen Wolf goes… the ubiquity of Sterek in absolutely everything really gets on my nerves sometimes, in general? And I've only seen one chubby!kink fic that wasn't Sterek (but it was Stiles/chubby!Jackson, which I'm more okay with, but don't actively ship?)… so, yeah, any excuse to as one of my professors would say, "fill the void" of non-Sterek chubby!kink fic in this fandom? Is a good excuse to me. I've also been trying to plot out chubby!kink fic with Scott/Danny/Isaac as the ship, but that's been proving a little more difficult since it keep trying to run away from me and turn into some epic-length monster and I'm just going, "nooo, you're just supposed to be short and sweet and cute and kinky, come on now, seriously." XD
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I don't mind Sterek (and in chubby!kink context it works for me just fine), but I'm a serial multishipper so all the lost potential really drives me up the wall. The canon is ripe with subtext for pretty much any pairing you could possibly imagine, and this fucking fandom latches on to the one ship that isn't even nowhere near the most obvious one? I've just keep WTF-ing at the way some Sterek shippers turn every little eye movement into proof for their ship (the most recent one I saw was someone arguing that Sterek is more popular than Derek/Scott because the way Stiles ~gapes at Derek can easily be translated as either fear or lust~ Like... what, somehow these same people miss the way Derek's always looking at Scott with hearts in his eyes? Seriously, Derek's a serial creeper and Stiles isn't even at the top of his list) when there are ships like Derek/Jackson ("You're with me now" = this isn't really even subtext anymore HOW IS THIS SHIP NOT MORE POPULAR?!), Scott/Stiles and Derek/Scott that all have a lot more subtext to build on. I just don't get this fandom, period.
Haha, I think that Stiles/chubby!Jackson fic is one of mine. /o\ As much as I love chubby!Stiles, Jackson is my favorite and I want allll the chubby!kink fic with him, but... he doesn't fit the kink as easily as Stiles does, you know? I've got a Matt/chubby!Jackson fic in the works, but idk, it's maybe too dark for this fandom. Like... force-feeding and mindcontrol dark. I like fucking with Jackson's headspace too much and non-con weight gain is just a great way to really fuck with him. Uhhh. >__>
chubby!kink fic with Scott/Danny/Isaac
Whhhhaaat, okay, you've got to tell me more! I am intrigued doesn't even begin to cover it. Epic length chubby!kink fic is the best kind of chubby!kink, don't you dare resist! :D
(Ahhh, sorry for rambling! I don't get a lot of chances to talk about this kink.)
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Gosh, the state of chaser!fic and chubby!kink fic in the HP fandom is pretty dismal, or at least it was, the last time I checked. Like, I think every fandom where this kink crops up ends up having characters and/or ships that are especially popular for it-like, in Hetalia, it's America/England fic with occasional chubby!Russia; in Gravitation, it's Shuichi/Eiri and Shuichi is inevitably the chubby one; in SPN, chubby!Dean is the most common character and Wincest is the most common ship (and Castiel-hate is distressingly common, which makes me sad because he's one of my favorite characters)… and I can't say for common ships in the HP fandom because I mostly saw a lot of gen fic around porkish_pixies, but chubby!Snape seemed to be the most common character with chubby!Draco as a distant second, which was just… I love Snape as a character (I'm pretty ambivalent about Draco) and some chubby!Snape fics totally do it for me, but chubby!Remus is totally my favorite. And chubby!Albus Severus is my second favorite.
And considering how you can find pretty much any kink you want in the HP and SPN fandoms (since they're both huge fandoms full of kinky people-I've seen more tentacle!fic in both of these fandoms than I've ever seen in an anime/manga fandom, and considering that tentacle stuff comes from anime/manga fandoms, that… says a lot to me), the fact that you can't find a lot of chubby!kink, much less a lot of diversity in the chubby!kink stuff that gets made… it can be really disheartening.
I don't get the Teen Wolf fandom either, most of the time-sometimes, I think that most of the Sterek shippers are watching a different show than the rest of us, just because they can somehow turn Stiles being scared of Derek, not wanting to deal with him, and occasionally wishing him dead into, and Derek physically assaulting Stiles on a semi-regular basis into, "Awww, babies, they're so in love!" And then they insist things like, "Teen Wolf IS Sterek" and constantly erase Scott (like, to the point that several people who got into the show didn't even know that Scott existed, much less that the show wasn't just about Stiles and Derek eye-fucking) and they refuse to hear any criticism about how they can make the fandom a really toxic place…
And like, I have no issue with creepy, fucked up ships-Peter/Stiles is pretty creepy and fucked up for example, and so is Derek/Jackson, and I like both of those ships-but… I really can't with Sterek, and it's pretty much entirely because of the popular fanon characterizations of Sterek and the way that a lot of the shippers act like Stiles and Derek are ~*so in love*~ in canon without acknowledging that: a. like you said, Derek is a serial creeper who likes to creep on high school students when he's in his mid-twenties and that doesn't really translate well into fanon!Derek; and b. Derek seems to like menacing, threatening, and physically assaulting Stiles, which all screams less, "truest of true love" and more, "dangerous and abusive" to me.
I've really tried to put all that aside to read the Sterek chubby!kink fic that's out there, but I can't do it. I'm sure the fics are great on their own, but I really can't get past my thoughts on the ship to enjoy them. :\
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…uh, I wish I had a clear-cut favorite for Teen Wolf chubby!kink fic, but I really don't, yet. It might just be like, "I like X character in Y situation, and Q character with Z/Q ship, and character A in all the situations" or something.
As for the Scott/Isaac/Danny fic… I have the premise all clear in my mind-Danny, Isaac, Scott, and Stiles all go to college together and go in for an apartment together, because it's better than living at the dorms; Danny breaks up with Ethan because they're going to schools in different states, but it's an amiable break-up, and Scott and Allison agree to let each other go for the same reason; first, Scott and Isaac start fooling around with each other, then Danny joins in on that, and in the process of this, we get to chubby!Danny and chubby!Isaac; and Stiles does something funny-but it's a matter of like… getting other ideas for things that happen and putting everything in the right order and deciding how much of a jerk Jackson would be when they're all in Beacon Hills for Christmas and he sees that Danny's put on weight… So, it's mostly getting hung up on the nuts and bolts things right now.
…comparatively, the Peter/chubby!Stiles I'm doing for, "sweet tooth" is progressing quite nicely, also running away from me a little bit, and it's mostly getting hung up on how this is my first time writing Peter in a fic and I want to make sure he's appropriately creepy but in a way that's engaging instead of off-putting. (Stiles, on the other hand, is a lot easier because… ahhh, because I also have ADHD and a tendency to just spurt out random thoughts all over the place, so like, Stiles isn't my favorite character-Scott and Lydia are my co-favorites-but he's the character I have the easiest time writing because I can get into his head more easily.)
(and now it's my turn to apologize for rambling, oh my gosh. I'm so sorry for this double-commenting nonsense.)
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Nah, Sterek fandom can be really obnoxious, so I can understand how the ship might trump the kink in this case. I think for me it's that I came into fandom after reading tons of gainer fiction written by gay dudes, so I'm pretty open to reading pretty much any ship for the sake of the kink. But it's also a matter of beggers can't be choosers, as there really isn't much kink fic that's both well-written (both mechanically and from the kink perspective) AND in a fandom/ship I care about. And you're right about the lack of diversity--I've read a lot of this kink in Sherlock BBC fandom but it's all just one blur because the scenario is always the same. Most of the time there's no imagination, just the same scenario over and over again. Fandom has nothing on the gainer fic community in that aspect.
Hmm... I think part of the reason why chubby!kink isn't more popular in Teen Wolf could be because the canon is sorely lacking in diversity when it comes to different body types. In HP, you have canonically overweight characters, Hetalia's America has his weight issues and Dean his love affair with pie and junk food (lol, at least that's what fandom osmosis tells me?) And then there's Teen Wolf, where the body fat percentage of the main cast is probably nearer to 10% than 20%. Is there one character in the whole show you could call chubby/fat? S1!Lydia was a bit on the curvy side, but even she's slimmed down considerably for S2. (Like she needed to lose those 9 pounds, wtf.) I mean, I get that they want the werewolves to be physically fit, but there's really no need for everyone to be that thin, it's just not realistic.
(On a side note, do you think the werewolves in TW could gain weight normally or is there some high metabolism thing going on that would require extra measures to be taken for that to happen? Uh, I've been kind of considering chubby!Derek lately and I can't decide whether to just hand-wave the werewolf thing or work around that in some way... I just want him sporting a big ol' beer belly and still be walking around without a shirt on like no big deal, he's still the Alpha. x)
re: Stiles/Jackson, yup, that's my fic! I should get back on track and finish it, I haven't even gotten to the good parts yet so no way can I leave it unfinished like that. I have a serious soft spot for injury related wg fic. ♥ As for the Matt/Jackson fic, I'm currently 5k into it and I have no idea how long it will eventually turn out. I just keep coming up with more kinky scenes to add to it, and ahhh the whole scenario is just massively fucked-up and reads like a horror story but I kinda like it that way? But oh man, I could definitely use some cheerleading. I keep second guessing myself and I fear I'll never finish it if left on my own devices. (Can we take this discussion to email/PM or something? I can happily ramble more about my chubby!kink WIPs [and yours, of course, as well!] but I'd prefer to keep the specifics to private spaces, you know?)
... Is that Scott/Isaac/Danny fic by any chance inspired by Coach Finstock's comment about everyone turning into fatasses? x) That sounds ADORABLE. Thanks to you, I now have the mental image of Scott rubbing his face into Isaac's pudgy belly stuck in my head (NOT COMPLAINING) because he would totally be into that. And yessssss to Jackson being a jerk about Danny's weight! Because he would be, the vain bastard, at least at first before getting over himself, yeah? Ahhh, I would read the hell out of that fic! And re: Peter/Stiles, the thought of chubby!kink fic for that ship just fills me with such utter glee. Hee! I can't wait to read it!
(now excuse me I'm going to poke around tumblr and follow you. because you are awesome and I need more awesome on my dash. ♥)
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And maybe I just didn't find the right archives or something, but I found a lot of repetitive scenarios-like, "dude puts on sympathy weight for his pregnant wife/girlfriend," or, "cute guy/girl meets the freshman fifteen and then some," or, "she used to be a cheerleader but then she gained weight and now her boobs are huge but she has a belly and hips and thighs too, and did we mention her boobs are huge," or similar. But the archives I found also felt really het-dominated in general, which is fair enough, straight people who want to read and write about straight people need their space for sexual expression, too-but the way that BBWs were objectified really put me off of reading their stuff (like, I enjoy het sometimes, but I like having it… in a less objectifying way, where the woman gets to be a character on her own, without just existing for the sake of kinky things and the reader's gratification).
So like, fandom might be more repetitive than the gainer community (this is actually a huge problem at chubwinchesters, where a lot of our prompt memes end up reusing the same prompts over and over and over again), but it also tends to have less of the stuff that put me off of the gainer community?
I can totally see that point about why chubby!kink and Teen Wolf don't always go together-like, it's an MTV show, so everyone on the show is unfairly good looking by conventional standards (like, Beacon Hills has a disproportionate amount of hot parents, and hot teachers-like, I would write poetry about Harris's cheekbones-and the only two people I can think of who aren't conventionally good looking in some way are Finstock and Gerard, and then YMMV on Ennis and the Alpha Twins, and even if their faces are kind of "eh" to me, they're still tall, really muscular white guys, so they have that going for them). And like… Erica was even on a medication that had "weight gain" as a potential side-effect-and if Scott was ever on steroids (aside from his inhaler) for his asthma, then so was he-but both of them still have these unfair, idealized bodies and it's just like… yeah, okay, the network says this, the network says that, but come ON.
I actually got into a talk about why different characters appeal to different people for chubby!kink reasons with a friend from chubwinchesters once-like, in the SPN fandom, we've got: Dean/Jensen, who appeals because he does have a love affair with junk food, and in the early seasons, Jensen was pretty lean so he hits that, "I just want to feed him" button, then in later seasons, Jensen's a little bit thicker and softer (though not really chubby by anyone's definition), so it's easier to imagine him bigger; Sam/Jared also used to have the, "leanly muscular, he looks so thin, I just want to feed him" thing going on, until season four, when Jared bulked up a lot because he was going to be in the remake of Friday the 13th, and then his appeal became more of that, "used to be an athlete but quit working out so much and lost his tone and definition, got chubby" sort of thing, and he has a line in the pilot about how he was a chubby twelve-year-old, which has inspired so many chubby!young!Sam fics;
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…but yeah, you don't really have that kind of diversity with Teen Wolf. Like, you've got Stiles, Isaac, Harris, Chris, Matt, and Peter on the leaner side of things-and even Isaac actually has muscles for days, when he takes his shirt off (though he totally appeals to me in the hurt/comfort, "poor baby, I just want to feed him" sense of the kink because of his backstory). Then, you've got Boyd and Derek (and more recently the Alpha Twins) who are both bigger than the rest of the cast (height-wise and otherwise, but again, both of them are ridiculous in the muscles department). Jackson's got a swimmer's build but he also has a personality that doesn't necessarily lend itself well to consensual weight gain (and not everyone likes non-con or accidental weight gain).
(Though now that I think about it, now that he's nominally retired from hunting, Chris has the whole, "stopped working out as much and gained weight as a result" scenario pretty much built right into him.)
Scott and Danny aren't like ~*super muscle-hulks*~ or anything, but they're both pretty built, and Danny especially is pretty fat-free. We haven't actually seen any of Sheriff Stilinski's body, so it's not impossible to imagine that he could be, like, a slightly softer older guy to start with-like, reasonably fit because he's a cop, but a little soft around the edges-but he also doesn't have a lot of popular ships, so he doesn't tend to get written about as much in general (though… domesticity isn't usually my favorite thing in the world-I don't dislike it, but I like other things more and other scenarios for chubby!kink more-but what would I give for a cute Sheriff/Melissa domestic weight gain story). Same goes for Deaton-it's not hard to imagine that he could be a slightly chubby older guy, but he doesn't tend to get written about that much.
I actually thought Deucalion was pretty skinny, so he could appeal in an, "imagine if he WASN'T," until I saw a selfie that Gideon Emery posted on Twitter and apparently, he has biceps the size of a small ham, but like, even sticking with thinner!Deucalion… it's harder to imagine him a chubby!kink scenario because of his personality, his backstory, his role in canon, etc. And then the ladies are just… Allison is lean and athletic, Kate is lean and athletic (and dead), even in season one Lydia was on the thin side, Erica is on the thin side (and also dead), Cora is lean and athletic (and might be dying soon, which makes me really angry because I love Cora), Kali is lean and athletic, Ms. Morrell and Jennifer are both on the thin side, Melissa is on the thin side and references going to the gym so she's presumably kind of athletic, Laura is lean and athletic (and also dead), Heather is pretty skinny (and dead), the unnamed girl from 3.01 is lean and athletic (and dead), and Victoria is sort of curvier but also pretty muscular (and she's also dead).
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so, seriously, there's a problem of limited appeal and limited bodily diversity all over the place (although now I kind of want to write some post that's like, "here is a primer on this kink, here are some ideas for how you could apply it to literally every character in Teen Wolf regardless of shipping preferences, now go forth and chubby!kink"), because there's really only so much you can do with the scenario of, "character A is a jock, but something happens that leads to weight gain," and that scenario doesn't necessarily appeal to everyone, and… sighs.
And then there's also that fanon you mentioned about werewolf metabolisms, which… I have mixed feelings about in general, really? On the one hand, I can totally see where it's coming from-because realistically, doing all the Cool Werewolf Things would probably take a lot out of you, energy wise, and different species might have different metabolisms in general, plus the werewolves seem to be constantly running around or getting into fights with something, which… isn't really related to werewolf metabolisms at all, but is still going to burn a lot of calories.
But on the other hand, I think the whole thing… well, it's fanon, so there's nothing to say that the opposite of it is true instead. Like, we see Derek and Cora working out at different points, and Scott and Isaac (and formerly Jackson) are all on the lacrosse team, they're on the cross-country team and now the Alpha Twins are as well-it could easily be said that werewolves have to work out more than humans do because their metabolisms are actually slower than a human's. I mean, since they presumably burn a lot of calories from shifting and trying to control their shifting on the full moon, they'd actually need to conserve energy more than burning it up quickly-and since they ARE burning up so much energy to shift and fight things and run around shirtlessly, it's conceivable that they'd need to eat more regularly than humans do, and that this appetite could carry over into times when their lives aren't actively being threatened by some Big Bad, so… I don't think you need to hand-wave the werewolf thing at all?
I think there are ways you could definitely turn it around on them so that it could encourage weight gain instead of prohibiting it, actually. It probably requires taking a little bit of artistic license with how metabolisms work-since I don't really know how metabolisms work as well as say, someone who's actually into science and medicine might, but most chubby!kink fic authors don't know how metabolisms work, either-but on the other hand, it's like… well, it's a fantasy story set in a universe with werewolves and kanimas and darachs and whatnot to begin with. A little suspension of disbelief on the exactness of the science-y things is pretty okay?
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And… actually, the Scott/Danny/Isaac fic is more inspired just by the general lack of chubby!kink fic in the TW fandom and liking the idea of Scott/Isaac/Danny. but that being said, I'm more than happy to move this discussion to PM so you don't have to air out the specifics of your fics in public. I'll fire off a PM your way in a couple minutes. ♥
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(Though now that I think about it, now that he's nominally retired from hunting, Chris has the whole, "stopped working out as much and gained weight as a result" scenario pretty much built right into him.)
...Oh hello, fic I didn't know I wanted until now! Chris is also a grieving widow and it's not too hard to imagine he's not all that used to running a household by himself. It's not that he doesn't know how to cook a simple meal, but it's just so much easier to fall back on takeout and ready-made dinners--especially with Allison's not being around as much, too busy sneaking around in hunter business--and add to that a bit of comfort eating & drinking and voilá--there's a bit of a belly where there used to be hard, lean muscle. Guh, do want.
A primer like that is a good idea, but I think what we really need is just more fic. Out of the, what, ~25k Teen Wolf fics on AO3, there's less than ten that are about chubby!kink. It's such an underrepresented kink that it's hard for people to get on board with it when there's not enough material to consume; which there really isn't, especially if you don't happen to read Sterek. If you manage to hit the right combination of tropes/kinks, one fic would be enough to set the trend (I could definitely see chubby!Stiles becoming a fanon trend like chubby!Dean if it got to the point that there was enough material to give people a good sample of what it is.)
I reeeeally wish there was even one fanartist drawing chubby!kink for this fandom because given how huge the fandom is on Tumblr, a good fanartist drawing adorable/hot chubby!Stiles could make it spread like wildfire. And if there was enough momentum behind chubby!Stiles/Sterek!chubby!kink fic, then it would start cropping up on rareships as well. GET ON THIS FANDOM. I know at least a couple of the Sterek BNFs dig the kink (or at least the light version of it), so it's really not a big stretch to think it could actually happen...
Oh! I like the idea of werewolves having slower metabolism, it actually makes kind of sense to me? So... head!canon accepted? :D
(And now I'm back to thinking about chubby!Jackson--he's bound to feel a little lost in London; no lacrosse to pour his obsession into, no social life (I bet he's horrible at making friends, he's too used to being the one everyone wants to be friends with and now he's the odd one out, the exchange student who jumps at the slightest noise and keeps looking over his shoulder because no way he's over all that trauma), no chance at getting drunk to forget his worries, so he turns to the one thing that makes him feel a little better, maybe reminds him of the innocent days before all this horrible stuff started happening: junk food.
And since there's no running around and fighting, no sports (the swim team sucks and there's no lacrosse in his high school; even going to the gym feels like a chore because there's no motivation to keep in shape), so he starts packing on the pounds without really realizing it, without even binging all that much because that's just how it works? And then Christmas rolls around and he has to return to Beacon Hills for the holidays and... I'm not sure what ship I'm thinking here, but you get the picture. ;)
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