Comments | amireal: It's not a plot, seriously.

amireal

It's not a plot, seriously.

Dec 21, 2006 12:43

So I have been watching the latest, as they call it, pseudicide. I mostly have stayed on the outside (with one particular spectacular engagement because this person hit several illogical fallacies that really annoyed me) because it's not really my fandom and while I did actively read in it, I was never really participatory. I'm MORE in it now as a ( Read more... )

frothy rage

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seperis December 21 2006, 18:19:10 UTC

Hmm. I mostly agree. But--and considering my role in the last one--I'm of the withhold judgement school even with suspicions. I think people *should* wait until there's some kind of hard evidence before making a decision of this kind--it's a damaging accusation to make, and if wrong, well, let's face it. The internet has a long, long memory now.

I'm not saying questions should not be asked--they *should* be asked if something feels wrong, especially when money is being involved. But I can see the pov of supporters and friends of the accused waiting until there is some kind of evidence before admitting there's something that's fishy in a given sitch. I'd be honestly surprised otherwise.

amireal December 21 2006, 18:22:25 UTC

I actually agree-- probably I phrased that bit badly (is sick! I shouldn't be metaing! *hangs head*

What annoys me is the people who are all "WHY ARE YOU ASKING QUESTIONS WITHOUT PROOF??"

Because to me, the first level of proof is several people agreeing that something doesn't feel right. And frankly as long as you make a polite inquiry I don't think there's anything wrong with asking the question, you know?

I'm really fine with people reserving judgement till they get hard evidence, what bothers me is the people who go off on people for looking for it. It seems self defeating you know?

seperis December 21 2006, 18:28:52 UTC

No, I agree there totally.

But. In their defense? If it were my friend, I'd probably knee-jerk react badly. But also, I've bee online long enough to know that it wouldn't do her any good and could a lot of harm, so I'd, you know, *not*.

Okay, we are on wavelength. Have an M&M. totally agree with all the rest.

amireal December 21 2006, 18:30:48 UTC

mmm candy.

Yeah I can see the other side a bit too though I did get the feeling that some of the kneejerk responses weren't from direct friends. But I could be delusional.

Hey if one person reading this learns not to insta!react with "OMG MY FRIEND YOU WHORE" then yay!

*wants cookies*

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quettaser December 21 2006, 18:51:55 UTC

I agree with you, especially re: the initial questions getting asked. It's a hard thing to do (from both sides; to raise doubt and to be doubted), but in the end it is a necessary evil required to protect the integrity of this space.

I love that online/LJ fandom is so overwhelmingly generous and giving, but in order to maintain that atmosphere, we have to go after the fakers. I have a feeling that scams like this happen far too often (well, not that often, but more frequently than people imagine) and no one bothers to speak up.

amireal December 22 2006, 07:10:59 UTC

What really gets me (and sadly it wasn't stated too clearly above) are the people who expect the proof instantly ( ... )

muppetk December 23 2006, 00:30:25 UTC

Huh... interesting.

I've seen these fandom kerfluffles (the pseudonym variety) alot, but without most of the knee-jerk defensiveness you describe. I've seen them in the bpal communities, where swaplifters are basically considered the lowest form of life. We've seen a number of people make off with several hundred dollars (possibly low thousands on occassion) either in paypal funds or in merchandise. It tends to lead to some vigorous self-policing and some serious vigilance. Heck, the US govt would be proud of the kind of paranoia we've evolved.