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You want this all over the internet? You want to tell people that it's all my fault. Fine. Here's the fucking log asshole. Maybe you'll actually read it this time, since you didn't while we talked, you said so to Steph. If you all will notice, I asked him to back off, I told him the reasons why. And he just went on and on about himself.
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21/07/2007 2:46:24 PM Shayne Ursinos Hi?
21/07/2007 2:47:14 PM Ursinos Shayne *poke* I'm home early
21/07/2007 2:47:14 PM Ursinos Shayne you around?
21/07/2007 2:47:21 PM Ursinos Shayne hi
21/07/2007 2:47:40 PM Shayne Ursinos Hi. I've been trying to send you messages. How come you're feeling like a dirty old man?
21/07/2007 2:48:56 PM Ursinos Shayne cause there are to many women around me that are really young and it makes me feel like I'm an old reprobate for thinking certain things lol
21/07/2007 2:50:28 PM Ursinos Shayne hmm, weird, I haven't gotten any texts
21/07/2007 2:52:02 PM Shayne Ursinos No, on msn.
21/07/2007 2:52:18 PM Ursinos Shayne msn was being a twit when I first started my laptop
21/07/2007 2:52:32 PM Shayne Ursinos Ah
21/07/2007 2:53:08 PM Ursinos Shayne so what's this stuff you want to say about me and steph?
21/07/2007 2:56:10 PM Shayne Ursinos I'd like to tell you to stop all advances in that area with her, but I'm not your keeper so I can't. But I can, and will tell you that it's a very, very bad idea to try for anything other then friends with her.
21/07/2007 2:56:33 PM Ursinos Shayne why?
21/07/2007 2:57:55 PM Shayne Ursinos For a number of different reasons. The age reason, like you just mentioned, the fact that she's not ready, nor capable of the type of relationship that you'd want, or go for, she couldn't handle not being in your top 5 priorities, there's the fact that her mother REALLY wouldn't like it, because of the age and because you're married, and lastly, and the most insignificant is me, because it's not
21/07/2007 2:58:06 PM Shayne Ursinos right to sit there and hit on my best friend when you and I are on the rocks.
21/07/2007 2:59:42 PM Shayne Ursinos I know you Mike, and you and her, even as friends with benefits, will end up causing a lot of damage. To her, to you, more than likely to Ally, to me, it's not worth it Mike, and I really think you should back off of her, and not try for anything, not even talk about sexual topics of discussion with her. And I think it was really bad form to go and tell Steve that you hope for friends with benefit
21/07/2007 3:00:06 PM Ursinos Shayne a) I'm not looking for a relationship right now. I'm looking for a friendship. she doesn't want a relationship with me either, she just wants to be friends. the idea of there being benefits is completely on the periphery, and I'm not even expecting it to really happen
21/07/2007 3:01:47 PM Ursinos Shayne I'm not denying I'd love for it to go that way, but i'm not expecting things to go past a bit of heavy flirting
21/07/2007 3:02:31 PM Shayne Ursinos And I'm saying that that heavy flirting is pretty much the same as steering to that, and that you should stop.
21/07/2007 3:05:47 PM Ursinos Shayne you know what? I kinda figured this was what was going to happen. I'm sorry kim, but it's not like you've seemed to consider the fact that maybe i should be allowed to maybe hunt down a bit of happiness for myself. You're upset because I'm flirting with someone who is your friend. yet you didn't seem to really put much thought into my feelings when you got involved with someone
21/07/2007 3:05:58 PM Ursinos Shayne without even warning me before hand that it was a possibility
21/07/2007 3:06:56 PM Shayne Ursinos I haven't got involved with anyone without talking to you about it, and letting you know what was happening. I'm not telling you not to find someone, I'm telling you to stop going after Steph. Find someone else.
21/07/2007 3:08:20 PM Ursinos Shayne you've gotten involved with a couple people and told me about it after it was already happening, or, thats the way you made it out. and you made it like my feelings had no bearing, you were doing it regardless
21/07/2007 3:09:10 PM Shayne Ursinos This is not about you and Mike, this is about you and Steph, and the damage it will do to OTHER people. Not just you.
21/07/2007 3:09:13 PM Ursinos Shayne and it's not like women just jump out of the woodwork going "oh oh, pick me!"
21/07/2007 3:10:39 PM Shayne Ursinos No, they aren't. That is not what we're talking about. Your issues with your self-esteem, and your relationships with other women are not what I'm concerned about. You're going to do what you're going to do. I'm telling you that you should stop flirting with Steph, just leave her alone and just be friends. Actual friends Mike, not flirting, not talking about sex, nothing like that. Just friends.
21/07/2007 3:11:14 PM Ursinos Shayne because it'll hurt you?
21/07/2007 3:11:59 PM Shayne Ursinos Yes, it'll hurt me, but like I said, hurting me was the least of the reasons. How about how much it'll hurt her, hurt you, HURT ALLY, hurt her mother??? Did you think of any of that, or just what your cock wanted?
21/07/2007 3:12:29 PM Ursinos Shayne actually, Ally and I have already discussed things when it comes to Steph
21/07/2007 3:13:51 PM Ursinos Shayne as for her, or her mother, thats why I planned to get to KNOW her. I already know her mother is a concern, and i'd already been planning on discussing such things with her
21/07/2007 3:15:43 PM Shayne Ursinos Let me put it this way Mike, and maybe you'll understand. Do not flirt with Steph, do not try anything like friends with benefits with Steph, or I will step in and protect her. This isn't a game Mike. I know you, and I know what you're going to do, and I'm telling you to back off of her. If you don't, things will get worse, because *I* will call her mother, and tell her what you're doing, and then
21/07/2007 3:16:36 PM Shayne Ursinos you can face her mother, and quite possibly the courts. I didn't want to do this Mike, but you're not listening. I don't care about how much it's going ot hurt me that you're moving in on my best friend right after we broke up, just like you did with Carey. I'm worried about the damage it's going to do to HER mostly, and then everyone else involved after. So back off of her. She doesn't want that
21/07/2007 3:17:06 PM Shayne Ursinos with you, you already know that. So stop the hunting down happyness, stop the heavy flirting, stop talkign about sex, and stop the photoshoots unless they are completely innocent. Or I will react, and you dont' want that.
21/07/2007 3:17:40 PM Ursinos Shayne Steph is 19, she's old enough to make her own decisions. if you want to cause problems, then that's your perogagive. but if you want to get involved, then realize that doing so will likely destroy any kind of relationship we have or might have, you and me
21/07/2007 3:18:38 PM Ursinos Shayne You don't even know what the hell I'm after these days
21/07/2007 3:18:55 PM Ursinos Shayne you couldn't even remember to get me a fucking birthday present for a whole fucking year
21/07/2007 3:18:55 PM Shayne Ursinos Yes, and I've talked to Steph about it already, like I told you I would. And she does not want that relationship with you, she only wants to be friends. You know the mental issues that she has Mike. You know the problems. How different is you hunting down happyness with her from some 50 year old hunting down happyness with Stephie?? Not by much.
21/07/2007 3:19:07 PM Ursinos Shayne and you think you can really understand what's going on in my head?
21/07/2007 3:19:11 PM Ursinos Shayne fuck you kim
21/07/2007 3:19:11 PM Shayne Ursinos I REMEMBERED YOUR FUCKING BIRTHDAY!!! STOP HOLDING IT AGAINST ME!
21/07/2007 3:19:55 PM Shayne Ursinos YOU MANIPULATIVE, SELF CENTERED, GUILT TRIPPING, LYING ASSHOLE. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND THINK OF SOMEONE ELSE FOR A CHANGE. THIS WILL HURT HER AND I WON'T HAVE THAT.
21/07/2007 3:19:56 PM Ursinos Shayne I'm not supposed to hold it against you when I get my nose rubbed into it how everyone else is more important than me?
21/07/2007 3:20:15 PM Ursinos Shayne oh, that's the pot calling the kettle
21/07/2007 3:20:25 PM Shayne Ursinos And how the fuck do you think I feel when someone in a different state is more important to you than I am? When your fucking camera is more important than I am.
21/07/2007 3:21:27 PM Ursinos Shayne you wanna know why they're more important? because they make me HAPPY, not make me feel like a useless apendage
21/07/2007 3:21:39 PM Shayne Ursinos I warned you when we got back together that I was only putting in as much effort into this relationship that you did. And that's exactly what I did. And I got guilt tripped every fucking time. yes I didn't get you what I wanted for your birthday. Yes, there were times that I got other stuff instead. But if you were to get off your high horse and talk to someone else about it, I don't know, say Har
21/07/2007 3:21:55 PM Shayne Ursinos Harley, then he'd be able to tell you that I've been bugging him for a year to get it for you.
21/07/2007 3:22:44 PM Shayne Ursinos No more than you made me feel. You got what you gave me Mike. I didn't want to turn this into a you and me conversation Mike, because it has nothing to do with it. I'm worried about what it will do to her, and you've completely ignored that, centering on yourself, again.
21/07/2007 3:22:48 PM Shayne Ursinos Something you and John are good at.
21/07/2007 3:23:59 PM Ursinos Shayne ever thought that I get centered on myself because so often it's the only way anyone will think about MY happiness? I'm sorry kim, call me a bastard, accuse me of guilt tripping, accuse me of anything the fuck you want
21/07/2007 3:24:30 PM Ursinos Shayne but i know this right now. I deserve better than the shit you gave me, so i'm looking for better. I'm looking out for me.
21/07/2007 3:24:43 PM Shayne Ursinos Then maybe you should stop thinking about other women and concentrate on your relationship with Ally, and fix that first.
21/07/2007 3:24:43 PM Ursinos Shayne if you don't like it, then I don't really give a fuck
21/07/2007 3:25:02 PM Ursinos Shayne actually, things are going pretty fucking good with ally
21/07/2007 3:25:07 PM Shayne Ursinos Fine. I told you, go and do what you want. But stay the fuck away from Steph in any kind of sexual or romantic way.
21/07/2007 3:25:34 PM Ursinos Shayne What steph and i talk about is her concern and mine
21/07/2007 3:26:24 PM Shayne Ursinos When she tells me that she doesn't want that with you, and then I get a message from Steve saying you want it, and hope for it, and then he turns around and messages her to try and get some pussy too, it becomes my business. Someone has to look out for her Mike, and I promised her I would.
21/07/2007 3:26:39 PM Ursinos Shayne That you think I'd be irresponsible enough to not consider ramifications means that you really don't know me
21/07/2007 3:26:56 PM Ursinos Shayne what?
21/07/2007 3:26:58 PM Shayne Ursinos You know, if you really think about it, you know that she is not mentally capable of this kind of lifestyle yet, maybe not at all. It's wrong of you to try to get it.
21/07/2007 3:27:07 PM Ursinos Shayne Steve's got his head up his ass
21/07/2007 3:28:03 PM Ursinos Shayne I'm not after a romantic relationship with Steph. I don't need any more romantic bullshit in my life right now. I wouldn't necessarily argue about it if it happened, but I'd rather avoid it
21/07/2007 3:28:05 PM Shayne Ursinos The 3rd time I mention this, and NOW you pay attention to it? Why don't you scroll back a bunch and read what I said to you fully. And yes, I fully believe that you will hurt Steph, very, very much. Not on purpose, not maliciously, but you will hurt her.
21/07/2007 3:29:17 PM Shayne Ursinos And it's the 'not necessarily argue' part that gets my attention because I do know you Mike, and i know that means that some part of you hopes for it, and that part will try to steer things in that direction. If you want to avoid it, then stop flirting with her, stop talking about sexual topics with her, and stop trying to get anything but a fully dressed, innocent photoshoot out of her.
21/07/2007 3:29:39 PM Ursinos Shayne yes, I've been flirting with her, yes I've been talking about sex with her. but I had no intention of letting things get real until her and I became FRIENDS first, and that I knew the situation wouldn't blow up on me
21/07/2007 3:30:47 PM Shayne Ursinos And what you're not realizing, or ignoring, is that because of the mental issues she has THAT POINT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. No matter how long you wait, no matter how much you get to be friends with her, it will blow up in your face because you can not give her what she needs in a relationship. YOU ARE MARRIED AND ALLY AND CAREY WILL ALWAYS COME BEFORE HER, and she will not beable to handle that. I've
21/07/2007 3:30:56 PM Shayne Ursinos been trying to fucking tell you that this whole time and you're not fucking listening.
21/07/2007 3:31:25 PM Ursinos Shayne I hear just what you're saying
21/07/2007 3:31:31 PM Ursinos Shayne I heard it the first time
21/07/2007 3:31:42 PM Ursinos Shayne and what I'm telling you is that I'll judge that for myself
21/07/2007 3:32:07 PM Ursinos Shayne because I don't trust your judgement when it comes to my life
21/07/2007 3:33:11 PM Shayne Ursinos It's not your life I'm getting involved in, it's HERS. Again, you don't understand.
21/07/2007 3:33:32 PM Ursinos Shayne you have no right to forbid me to see anyone, talk to anyone, or flirt with anyone. if you wanted to tell me that you didn't think she could handle any kind of sexual relationship in a poly situation. that's fine. I can take that advise and keep it in mind
21/07/2007 3:33:49 PM Shayne Ursinos Go fuck a thousand women if you want to. Take pictures of them all, do what the fuck you want, but you need to leave STeph alone.
21/07/2007 3:34:19 PM Ursinos Shayne who are you to decide what I need to do?
21/07/2007 3:34:43 PM Ursinos Shayne like your life decisions have been all that fucking good in the past
21/07/2007 3:35:24 PM Ursinos Shayne you want to give some friendly advise, and some words of caution. that's fine, but don't try and be all santamonious on me
21/07/2007 3:35:34 PM Ursinos Shayne sanctamonious, whatever
21/07/2007 3:35:59 PM Shayne Ursinos I'm looking out for her. Not you. Fuck you. Fuck you a lot. Thank you for destrying the last of the respect and love I had for you.
And that's not all. After this converstaion, he went to Steph, and asked her over and over if she wanted him to back off. Every time he asked she said he thought he had been joking. After the 3rd time she got pissed off and said that she thought the whole thing was creepy. And then he called her hun twice. After she said no, he called her hun, when he didnt' at all throughout the entire converstaion.
The integrity is lost because of promises broken. If people are going to hate me over this then fine, I really don't give a flying fuck. But they should at least hate me for the truth, not for lies.
EDIT: I've found out that all 3 of us misunderstood what Steve wanted. We all jumped to conclusions, which I've appologized to him for, so what was said about him in the log isn't true.
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21/07/2007 2:46:24 PM Shayne Ursinos Hi?
21/07/2007 2:47:14 PM Ursinos Shayne *poke* I'm home early
21/07/2007 2:47:14 PM Ursinos Shayne you around?
21/07/2007 2:47:21 PM Ursinos Shayne hi
21/07/2007 2:47:40 PM Shayne Ursinos Hi. I've been trying to send you messages. How come you're feeling like a dirty old man?
21/07/2007 2:48:56 PM Ursinos Shayne cause there are to many women around me that are really young and it makes me feel like I'm an old reprobate for thinking certain things lol
21/07/2007 2:50:28 PM Ursinos Shayne hmm, weird, I haven't gotten any texts
21/07/2007 2:52:02 PM Shayne Ursinos No, on msn.
21/07/2007 2:52:18 PM Ursinos Shayne msn was being a twit when I first started my laptop
21/07/2007 2:52:32 PM Shayne Ursinos Ah
21/07/2007 2:53:08 PM Ursinos Shayne so what's this stuff you want to say about me and steph?
21/07/2007 2:56:10 PM Shayne Ursinos I'd like to tell you to stop all advances in that area with her, but I'm not your keeper so I can't. But I can, and will tell you that it's a very, very bad idea to try for anything other then friends with her.
21/07/2007 2:56:33 PM Ursinos Shayne why?
21/07/2007 2:57:55 PM Shayne Ursinos For a number of different reasons. The age reason, like you just mentioned, the fact that she's not ready, nor capable of the type of relationship that you'd want, or go for, she couldn't handle not being in your top 5 priorities, there's the fact that her mother REALLY wouldn't like it, because of the age and because you're married, and lastly, and the most insignificant is me, because it's not
21/07/2007 2:58:06 PM Shayne Ursinos right to sit there and hit on my best friend when you and I are on the rocks.
21/07/2007 2:59:42 PM Shayne Ursinos I know you Mike, and you and her, even as friends with benefits, will end up causing a lot of damage. To her, to you, more than likely to Ally, to me, it's not worth it Mike, and I really think you should back off of her, and not try for anything, not even talk about sexual topics of discussion with her. And I think it was really bad form to go and tell Steve that you hope for friends with benefit
21/07/2007 3:00:06 PM Ursinos Shayne a) I'm not looking for a relationship right now. I'm looking for a friendship. she doesn't want a relationship with me either, she just wants to be friends. the idea of there being benefits is completely on the periphery, and I'm not even expecting it to really happen
21/07/2007 3:01:47 PM Ursinos Shayne I'm not denying I'd love for it to go that way, but i'm not expecting things to go past a bit of heavy flirting
21/07/2007 3:02:31 PM Shayne Ursinos And I'm saying that that heavy flirting is pretty much the same as steering to that, and that you should stop.
21/07/2007 3:05:47 PM Ursinos Shayne you know what? I kinda figured this was what was going to happen. I'm sorry kim, but it's not like you've seemed to consider the fact that maybe i should be allowed to maybe hunt down a bit of happiness for myself. You're upset because I'm flirting with someone who is your friend. yet you didn't seem to really put much thought into my feelings when you got involved with someone
21/07/2007 3:05:58 PM Ursinos Shayne without even warning me before hand that it was a possibility
21/07/2007 3:06:56 PM Shayne Ursinos I haven't got involved with anyone without talking to you about it, and letting you know what was happening. I'm not telling you not to find someone, I'm telling you to stop going after Steph. Find someone else.
21/07/2007 3:08:20 PM Ursinos Shayne you've gotten involved with a couple people and told me about it after it was already happening, or, thats the way you made it out. and you made it like my feelings had no bearing, you were doing it regardless
21/07/2007 3:09:10 PM Shayne Ursinos This is not about you and Mike, this is about you and Steph, and the damage it will do to OTHER people. Not just you.
21/07/2007 3:09:13 PM Ursinos Shayne and it's not like women just jump out of the woodwork going "oh oh, pick me!"
21/07/2007 3:10:39 PM Shayne Ursinos No, they aren't. That is not what we're talking about. Your issues with your self-esteem, and your relationships with other women are not what I'm concerned about. You're going to do what you're going to do. I'm telling you that you should stop flirting with Steph, just leave her alone and just be friends. Actual friends Mike, not flirting, not talking about sex, nothing like that. Just friends.
21/07/2007 3:11:14 PM Ursinos Shayne because it'll hurt you?
21/07/2007 3:11:59 PM Shayne Ursinos Yes, it'll hurt me, but like I said, hurting me was the least of the reasons. How about how much it'll hurt her, hurt you, HURT ALLY, hurt her mother??? Did you think of any of that, or just what your cock wanted?
21/07/2007 3:12:29 PM Ursinos Shayne actually, Ally and I have already discussed things when it comes to Steph
21/07/2007 3:13:51 PM Ursinos Shayne as for her, or her mother, thats why I planned to get to KNOW her. I already know her mother is a concern, and i'd already been planning on discussing such things with her
21/07/2007 3:15:43 PM Shayne Ursinos Let me put it this way Mike, and maybe you'll understand. Do not flirt with Steph, do not try anything like friends with benefits with Steph, or I will step in and protect her. This isn't a game Mike. I know you, and I know what you're going to do, and I'm telling you to back off of her. If you don't, things will get worse, because *I* will call her mother, and tell her what you're doing, and then
21/07/2007 3:16:36 PM Shayne Ursinos you can face her mother, and quite possibly the courts. I didn't want to do this Mike, but you're not listening. I don't care about how much it's going ot hurt me that you're moving in on my best friend right after we broke up, just like you did with Carey. I'm worried about the damage it's going to do to HER mostly, and then everyone else involved after. So back off of her. She doesn't want that
21/07/2007 3:17:06 PM Shayne Ursinos with you, you already know that. So stop the hunting down happyness, stop the heavy flirting, stop talkign about sex, and stop the photoshoots unless they are completely innocent. Or I will react, and you dont' want that.
21/07/2007 3:17:40 PM Ursinos Shayne Steph is 19, she's old enough to make her own decisions. if you want to cause problems, then that's your perogagive. but if you want to get involved, then realize that doing so will likely destroy any kind of relationship we have or might have, you and me
21/07/2007 3:18:38 PM Ursinos Shayne You don't even know what the hell I'm after these days
21/07/2007 3:18:55 PM Ursinos Shayne you couldn't even remember to get me a fucking birthday present for a whole fucking year
21/07/2007 3:18:55 PM Shayne Ursinos Yes, and I've talked to Steph about it already, like I told you I would. And she does not want that relationship with you, she only wants to be friends. You know the mental issues that she has Mike. You know the problems. How different is you hunting down happyness with her from some 50 year old hunting down happyness with Stephie?? Not by much.
21/07/2007 3:19:07 PM Ursinos Shayne and you think you can really understand what's going on in my head?
21/07/2007 3:19:11 PM Ursinos Shayne fuck you kim
21/07/2007 3:19:11 PM Shayne Ursinos I REMEMBERED YOUR FUCKING BIRTHDAY!!! STOP HOLDING IT AGAINST ME!
21/07/2007 3:19:55 PM Shayne Ursinos YOU MANIPULATIVE, SELF CENTERED, GUILT TRIPPING, LYING ASSHOLE. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND THINK OF SOMEONE ELSE FOR A CHANGE. THIS WILL HURT HER AND I WON'T HAVE THAT.
21/07/2007 3:19:56 PM Ursinos Shayne I'm not supposed to hold it against you when I get my nose rubbed into it how everyone else is more important than me?
21/07/2007 3:20:15 PM Ursinos Shayne oh, that's the pot calling the kettle
21/07/2007 3:20:25 PM Shayne Ursinos And how the fuck do you think I feel when someone in a different state is more important to you than I am? When your fucking camera is more important than I am.
21/07/2007 3:21:27 PM Ursinos Shayne you wanna know why they're more important? because they make me HAPPY, not make me feel like a useless apendage
21/07/2007 3:21:39 PM Shayne Ursinos I warned you when we got back together that I was only putting in as much effort into this relationship that you did. And that's exactly what I did. And I got guilt tripped every fucking time. yes I didn't get you what I wanted for your birthday. Yes, there were times that I got other stuff instead. But if you were to get off your high horse and talk to someone else about it, I don't know, say Har
21/07/2007 3:21:55 PM Shayne Ursinos Harley, then he'd be able to tell you that I've been bugging him for a year to get it for you.
21/07/2007 3:22:44 PM Shayne Ursinos No more than you made me feel. You got what you gave me Mike. I didn't want to turn this into a you and me conversation Mike, because it has nothing to do with it. I'm worried about what it will do to her, and you've completely ignored that, centering on yourself, again.
21/07/2007 3:22:48 PM Shayne Ursinos Something you and John are good at.
21/07/2007 3:23:59 PM Ursinos Shayne ever thought that I get centered on myself because so often it's the only way anyone will think about MY happiness? I'm sorry kim, call me a bastard, accuse me of guilt tripping, accuse me of anything the fuck you want
21/07/2007 3:24:30 PM Ursinos Shayne but i know this right now. I deserve better than the shit you gave me, so i'm looking for better. I'm looking out for me.
21/07/2007 3:24:43 PM Shayne Ursinos Then maybe you should stop thinking about other women and concentrate on your relationship with Ally, and fix that first.
21/07/2007 3:24:43 PM Ursinos Shayne if you don't like it, then I don't really give a fuck
21/07/2007 3:25:02 PM Ursinos Shayne actually, things are going pretty fucking good with ally
21/07/2007 3:25:07 PM Shayne Ursinos Fine. I told you, go and do what you want. But stay the fuck away from Steph in any kind of sexual or romantic way.
21/07/2007 3:25:34 PM Ursinos Shayne What steph and i talk about is her concern and mine
21/07/2007 3:26:24 PM Shayne Ursinos When she tells me that she doesn't want that with you, and then I get a message from Steve saying you want it, and hope for it, and then he turns around and messages her to try and get some pussy too, it becomes my business. Someone has to look out for her Mike, and I promised her I would.
21/07/2007 3:26:39 PM Ursinos Shayne That you think I'd be irresponsible enough to not consider ramifications means that you really don't know me
21/07/2007 3:26:56 PM Ursinos Shayne what?
21/07/2007 3:26:58 PM Shayne Ursinos You know, if you really think about it, you know that she is not mentally capable of this kind of lifestyle yet, maybe not at all. It's wrong of you to try to get it.
21/07/2007 3:27:07 PM Ursinos Shayne Steve's got his head up his ass
21/07/2007 3:28:03 PM Ursinos Shayne I'm not after a romantic relationship with Steph. I don't need any more romantic bullshit in my life right now. I wouldn't necessarily argue about it if it happened, but I'd rather avoid it
21/07/2007 3:28:05 PM Shayne Ursinos The 3rd time I mention this, and NOW you pay attention to it? Why don't you scroll back a bunch and read what I said to you fully. And yes, I fully believe that you will hurt Steph, very, very much. Not on purpose, not maliciously, but you will hurt her.
21/07/2007 3:29:17 PM Shayne Ursinos And it's the 'not necessarily argue' part that gets my attention because I do know you Mike, and i know that means that some part of you hopes for it, and that part will try to steer things in that direction. If you want to avoid it, then stop flirting with her, stop talking about sexual topics with her, and stop trying to get anything but a fully dressed, innocent photoshoot out of her.
21/07/2007 3:29:39 PM Ursinos Shayne yes, I've been flirting with her, yes I've been talking about sex with her. but I had no intention of letting things get real until her and I became FRIENDS first, and that I knew the situation wouldn't blow up on me
21/07/2007 3:30:47 PM Shayne Ursinos And what you're not realizing, or ignoring, is that because of the mental issues she has THAT POINT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. No matter how long you wait, no matter how much you get to be friends with her, it will blow up in your face because you can not give her what she needs in a relationship. YOU ARE MARRIED AND ALLY AND CAREY WILL ALWAYS COME BEFORE HER, and she will not beable to handle that. I've
21/07/2007 3:30:56 PM Shayne Ursinos been trying to fucking tell you that this whole time and you're not fucking listening.
21/07/2007 3:31:25 PM Ursinos Shayne I hear just what you're saying
21/07/2007 3:31:31 PM Ursinos Shayne I heard it the first time
21/07/2007 3:31:42 PM Ursinos Shayne and what I'm telling you is that I'll judge that for myself
21/07/2007 3:32:07 PM Ursinos Shayne because I don't trust your judgement when it comes to my life
21/07/2007 3:33:11 PM Shayne Ursinos It's not your life I'm getting involved in, it's HERS. Again, you don't understand.
21/07/2007 3:33:32 PM Ursinos Shayne you have no right to forbid me to see anyone, talk to anyone, or flirt with anyone. if you wanted to tell me that you didn't think she could handle any kind of sexual relationship in a poly situation. that's fine. I can take that advise and keep it in mind
21/07/2007 3:33:49 PM Shayne Ursinos Go fuck a thousand women if you want to. Take pictures of them all, do what the fuck you want, but you need to leave STeph alone.
21/07/2007 3:34:19 PM Ursinos Shayne who are you to decide what I need to do?
21/07/2007 3:34:43 PM Ursinos Shayne like your life decisions have been all that fucking good in the past
21/07/2007 3:35:24 PM Ursinos Shayne you want to give some friendly advise, and some words of caution. that's fine, but don't try and be all santamonious on me
21/07/2007 3:35:34 PM Ursinos Shayne sanctamonious, whatever
21/07/2007 3:35:59 PM Shayne Ursinos I'm looking out for her. Not you. Fuck you. Fuck you a lot. Thank you for destrying the last of the respect and love I had for you.
And that's not all. After this converstaion, he went to Steph, and asked her over and over if she wanted him to back off. Every time he asked she said he thought he had been joking. After the 3rd time she got pissed off and said that she thought the whole thing was creepy. And then he called her hun twice. After she said no, he called her hun, when he didnt' at all throughout the entire converstaion.
The integrity is lost because of promises broken. If people are going to hate me over this then fine, I really don't give a flying fuck. But they should at least hate me for the truth, not for lies.
EDIT: I've found out that all 3 of us misunderstood what Steve wanted. We all jumped to conclusions, which I've appologized to him for, so what was said about him in the log isn't true.