I just want to take my second to share my opinions.
First i will share my Iraq opinions:
We need to finish what we started, plain and simple. My problem, i dont think we are finishing anything right now. I just not seeing enough happen in Iraq to say that we are doing what we need to do right now.
I also question things like the president saying "mission accomplished" how many months and months ago. cause here is a news flash, mission not accomplished.
I also question why we chose to go after Iraq when there are so many larger threats out there; either way im sure it has nothing to do with saddam trying to attack dubbas dad, None. (Note that the last part of that was just to be an ass. Although it is kinda wierd... But really, i think we have other issues to worry about then Iraq)
if putting more troops in there will get the job done and get us out of there, then so be it.
Guantanamo Bay is shitty. What we are doing there is Shitty, and we are being really bad people by doing what we are doing to those people there. People, thats what they are and we need to start treating them like it. I dont care what they did, or were thinking of doing. Let them be tried, and carry out whatever punishment is given after that.
If we were in war with korea and we had a korean in our prisons they would be a prisoner of war.
so now we are in the war on terror so when a terrorist is taken into our prisons, they are prisoners of war.
As for the war that took place on LJ.
I knew from the first post that it was going to be bad, i just never realized how bad.
I lost a lot of respect for a certain someone who made some personal and rude comments. I didnt know to much about this person before, but now i see them as a pompus jackass. i say this because your comments were un warented, personally based, and rude.
One person provided the most information with information backing it. As someone who is not very informed about the war, this person provided me with the most information. I got some information from the other side, but it wasnt till the end, and by then, they had lost my respect.
This debate should have been able to happen without the attacks that happened, from both sides (one side a lot more then the other). It should have been able to happen maturely and like the adults we are suppose to be.
Sorry to respond so late, but i have been busy and sick, and just got around to it. please remember that what i am stating are opinions. if you want to know more, let me know.
So why can't you say it. Since you won't I will. It was me. I was pissed and I wanted that anger to show through. My positions are correct and people who by their own admission aren't into world politics shouldn't be making statements like that.
I'd like to make a quick clarification on what I meant by "I am not interested in politics or even in world affairs." It was said, in context, to the definition of peace to those interested in politics. I defined myself that way because my primary concern is different, as I said, "I’m interested in the human being and what it means to recognize each individual's human rights" When those two connect and begin to conflict with each other, yes, I do become involved with politics as well as world affairs. I'm not totally uniterested, i'm just more concerned with a different aspect. It's more interdiscplinary than political science, I guess you might be able to say. I'm coming to politics with a different focus than simply how nations interact and get along, I'm looking and discussing instead about different aspect of the problem.
You've looked at it in a sense of winning, losing, international explanations etc. I'm looking at it from a different standpoint which maybe has caused some of our disagreements. It's not that either position is correct or better, just has a different primary concern.
Also I'd like to mention how infuriated I was at the original post. I haven't been that angry in a long time and thats saying something considering that there we many time I thought I broke my hand from punch steel walls on the ship.
I don't expect people to accept my views, nor do I really care if they like them or me. I served my country so that I could help ensure that I got to say what I think.
I don't slight anyone for they're views but I will tell them they are wrong and I will tell them why and if I am mad I won't be afraid to express myself in a way that comes off harshly.
Also if your going to comment on the Geneva Convention maybe you should read it first.
"One person provided the most information with information backing it. As someone who is not very informed about the war, this person provided me with the most information. I got some information from the other side, but it wasnt till the end, and by then, they had lost my respect. "
My very first line had information in it.
I'm willing to bet I am more informed on this subject then anyone who has posted about it so far. Not only did I live some of it, I also scan the news and listen to political commentary daily.
If people are going to be upset because I call things as I see them so be it. I am actually proud of ambiguouschild for having the courage to state views that she knew would be fired upon. Regardless what I think of her political and social views I still have respect for her. But that doesn't mean I won't tell her that I think she's a defeatist, coward (when it comes to death), and any thing else I said. I don't look down on her as a person and this as far as I am concerned doesn't mean I will treat any differently than I have before. Nor will I look any differently at you depressedsped.
You have to be able to remove your personal feeling about someone's views from what they are as a person. This is something I learned well in the Navy. I hated my boss ET1 Brown. But when we weren't at work and he was Kevin we were the best of friends. Any insult I may have hurled we're meant only to be towards her views. Her as a person is a completely different subject.
just to let you know you dont draw that line very well, regardless of what the navy taught you.
yes, the first line of your last post had information in it, but the majority of your rantings were emotionally based.
I thank you for serving in the military and protecting my right to "free speech." I'm just sorry that it made you do one sided and unwilling to consider the rights of human beings.
ambiguouschild and i have disagreed in the past where i have agree with you (ex the killing of saddam, fuck that guy) but right now i just cannot bring myself to agree with either of you. You both have sides that are to far each way.
Regardless, ambiguouschild was able to handle the confrontation maturely, and you were not. Im not saying you are immature or anything like that, but in this argument you got too emotional. I understand you were there, and that is the reason for your emotion, but how you handled it was piss poor.
This entire thing has gotten out of hand and i see no reason to continue it. The views of the individuals involved are not going to change, and the opinions of those individuals involved have been set.
im done with this stupid bull shit. Have a great fucking day.
I was going to let this die but its been bothering me since yesterday.
You wrote "just to let you know you don't draw that line very well, regardless of what the navy taught you. "
An what basis do you make this judgment. Its tough for me to even call it that because to me it must be an assumption.
Also this has been way too fun to let die. You look at this as an argument that is getting out of hand. I look at this as enjoyable. I love arguing especially when I know I am right.
First i will share my Iraq opinions:
We need to finish what we started, plain and simple. My problem, i dont think we are finishing anything right now. I just not seeing enough happen in Iraq to say that we are doing what we need to do right now.
I also question things like the president saying "mission accomplished" how many months and months ago. cause here is a news flash, mission not accomplished.
I also question why we chose to go after Iraq when there are so many larger threats out there; either way im sure it has nothing to do with saddam trying to attack dubbas dad, None. (Note that the last part of that was just to be an ass. Although it is kinda wierd... But really, i think we have other issues to worry about then Iraq)
if putting more troops in there will get the job done and get us out of there, then so be it.
Guantanamo Bay is shitty. What we are doing there is Shitty, and we are being really bad people by doing what we are doing to those people there. People, thats what they are and we need to start treating them like it. I dont care what they did, or were thinking of doing. Let them be tried, and carry out whatever punishment is given after that.
If we were in war with korea and we had a korean in our prisons they would be a prisoner of war.
so now we are in the war on terror so when a terrorist is taken into our prisons, they are prisoners of war.
As for the war that took place on LJ.
I knew from the first post that it was going to be bad, i just never realized how bad.
I lost a lot of respect for a certain someone who made some personal and rude comments. I didnt know to much about this person before, but now i see them as a pompus jackass. i say this because your comments were un warented, personally based, and rude.
One person provided the most information with information backing it. As someone who is not very informed about the war, this person provided me with the most information. I got some information from the other side, but it wasnt till the end, and by then, they had lost my respect.
This debate should have been able to happen without the attacks that happened, from both sides (one side a lot more then the other). It should have been able to happen maturely and like the adults we are suppose to be.
Sorry to respond so late, but i have been busy and sick, and just got around to it. please remember that what i am stating are opinions. if you want to know more, let me know.
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You've looked at it in a sense of winning, losing, international explanations etc. I'm looking at it from a different standpoint which maybe has caused some of our disagreements. It's not that either position is correct or better, just has a different primary concern.
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I don't expect people to accept my views, nor do I really care if they like them or me. I served my country so that I could help ensure that I got to say what I think.
I don't slight anyone for they're views but I will tell them they are wrong and I will tell them why and if I am mad I won't be afraid to express myself in a way that comes off harshly.
Also if your going to comment on the Geneva Convention maybe you should read it first.
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My very first line had information in it.
I'm willing to bet I am more informed on this subject then anyone who has posted about it so far. Not only did I live some of it, I also scan the news and listen to political commentary daily.
If people are going to be upset because I call things as I see them so be it. I am actually proud of ambiguouschild for having the courage to state views that she knew would be fired upon. Regardless what I think of her political and social views I still have respect for her. But that doesn't mean I won't tell her that I think she's a defeatist, coward (when it comes to death), and any thing else I said. I don't look down on her as a person and this as far as I am concerned doesn't mean I will treat any differently than I have before. Nor will I look any differently at you depressedsped.
You have to be able to remove your personal feeling about someone's views from what they are as a person. This is something I learned well in the Navy. I hated my boss ET1 Brown. But when we weren't at work and he was Kevin we were the best of friends. Any insult I may have hurled we're meant only to be towards her views. Her as a person is a completely different subject.
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yes, the first line of your last post had information in it, but the majority of your rantings were emotionally based.
I thank you for serving in the military and protecting my right to "free speech." I'm just sorry that it made you do one sided and unwilling to consider the rights of human beings.
ambiguouschild and i have disagreed in the past where i have agree with you (ex the killing of saddam, fuck that guy) but right now i just cannot bring myself to agree with either of you. You both have sides that are to far each way.
Regardless, ambiguouschild was able to handle the confrontation maturely, and you were not. Im not saying you are immature or anything like that, but in this argument you got too emotional. I understand you were there, and that is the reason for your emotion, but how you handled it was piss poor.
This entire thing has gotten out of hand and i see no reason to continue it. The views of the individuals involved are not going to change, and the opinions of those individuals involved have been set.
im done with this stupid bull shit. Have a great fucking day.
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You wrote "just to let you know you don't draw that line very well, regardless of what the navy taught you. "
An what basis do you make this judgment. Its tough for me to even call it that because to me it must be an assumption.
Also this has been way too fun to let die. You look at this as an argument that is getting out of hand. I look at this as enjoyable. I love arguing especially when I know I am right.
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