It has nothing to do with political bias. I'm open to opinions of all political bases as long as the argument is logical and credible.
Clearly you've misunderstood the concept of opportunity cost. When I explained opportunity cost and the time value of money to you, it wasn't necessarily something which I actively take as my meaning of life. I explained it as a law of economics, in that, without question, at all times by doing one thing you forgo doing something else. it's not time = money. it's time = other time missed. time working is relaxation time forgone just as vice versa relaxation time is time you could have been working.
If you want to know how the world works, it's your responsibility as seeker of knowledge to be a critical thinker. Critical thinking involves using a basis of logical critical thinking and reasoning skills for deciding with what the level of confidence you should have in a proposition in given the available evidence. An inability to identify errors of reasoning means you will always fall to false or twisted information.
Yes, things don't have to work in a logical way, but an argument must be presented in a logical fashion, otherwise it's reasoning is incorrect.
In the case of the article that I stoped reading after the premise was false. If the premise of the article is incorrect, then it doesn't matter what supporting evidence the article provides, it's still backing up a false premise, and thus will ultimately always be incorrect. Do I agree with the basis of the article? yes. but the minute they use faulty reasoning to get their point across it shows me that the source is not credible.
This is not a matter of 'what ifs' and theoretical gobbledeegook. Nor is it a philosophical discussion...the 'Reasoning' behind it doesn't matter. You can do anything with purely academic reasoning, make the sky not blue, the unseen side of a sheep black, etc etc. It's really taking things from the real world, changing them into symbols, then friggin around with them whilst jerking off. The symbols aren't reality, reality is! 'Faulty Logic' doesn't change reality.
Of course the reasoning behind it matters! If it didn't then we could all make wild claims.
"Kids are fat! Kids ride schoolbuses! Schoolbuses are making kids fat!"
No, You can't do anything with academic reasoning. you can't make the sky green or a sheep's side black without using a fallacy of reasoning. sure logical reasoning in it's basic elements takes an argument down to points (a=b b=c therefor a=c) but whats wrong with that? there's nothing non-reality about that.
Faulty logic doesn't change reality, but it changes the credibility of the argument. If the statement is true, then why isn't the logic true? If the statement really was true, shouldn't you be able to argue to that effect without making errors of reasoning?
The actual reasoning behind the problem is a little much for most people to comprehend and accept (there is a program set out to make people dumber so that they better serve the state) so one has to make up other reasoning to get people to notice the problem. This isn't a matter of making the argument a + b = c, it's more along the lines of " A! A A A A A Goddamn it!", pummeling the point home until people finally accept it as fact.
Ignoring your hypothesis of a governmental dumberererer program; if you want to take the approach that people are dumb and you need to speak to them in their language, then at least use the argument that makes sense. Statisticaly speaking, the distribution of the intelligence of the population is a standard Gaussian distribution, meaning that 50% of the population has below average intelligence.
But using such an argument means that the target audience of the literature and speeches which you link to are stupid people. They are producing propoganda for stupid people to be influenced into believing what they say is true. You are appealing to lemmings willing to follow anything they are fed because they are too stupid to realize the errors and factual inacuracies. This is no different then the propoganda of the extream christian right.
Any credibility these links had left are now completely gone.
If you want to redeem their credibility then please link me to an instance where they don't use these rediculous methods to prove a point.
Otherwise: Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality. Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.
The articles in question are from the extreme Christian right, and, yes, I and they assume that most people are too stupid to see what's right in front of them, and realize that there are only certain ways to get through to them.
The backing of Alan Watt's talks and articles is the writings of the dominant minority. He tells people their plans in their own words from their own books and cites the books he has taken the information from. He uses propoganda techniques to pummel the information in and forcibly commit it to memory. I think this is just fine and dandy, personally; why not use effective techniques?
It's not really my job to convinve you of anything. If you don't think I post credible or true information, then don't pay attention to it! Western hegemony is just great, the atrocities commited by our government in other countries stay in those other countries (I mean, why would a government hurt it's own people?), leaders are voted in democratically, free-trade and competitive capitalism are alive and well, and our education system works just fine.
Personally, I find it much easier to believe otherwise.
Clearly you've misunderstood the concept of opportunity cost. When I explained opportunity cost and the time value of money to you, it wasn't necessarily something which I actively take as my meaning of life. I explained it as a law of economics, in that, without question, at all times by doing one thing you forgo doing something else. it's not time = money. it's time = other time missed. time working is relaxation time forgone just as vice versa relaxation time is time you could have been working.
If you want to know how the world works, it's your responsibility as seeker of knowledge to be a critical thinker. Critical thinking involves using a basis of logical critical thinking and reasoning skills for deciding with what the level of confidence you should have in a proposition in given the available evidence. An inability to identify errors of reasoning means you will always fall to false or twisted information.
Yes, things don't have to work in a logical way, but an argument must be presented in a logical fashion, otherwise it's reasoning is incorrect.
In the case of the article that I stoped reading after the premise was false. If the premise of the article is incorrect, then it doesn't matter what supporting evidence the article provides, it's still backing up a false premise, and thus will ultimately always be incorrect. Do I agree with the basis of the article? yes. but the minute they use faulty reasoning to get their point across it shows me that the source is not credible.
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"Kids are fat! Kids ride schoolbuses! Schoolbuses are making kids fat!"
No, You can't do anything with academic reasoning. you can't make the sky green or a sheep's side black without using a fallacy of reasoning. sure logical reasoning in it's basic elements takes an argument down to points (a=b b=c therefor a=c) but whats wrong with that? there's nothing non-reality about that.
Faulty logic doesn't change reality, but it changes the credibility of the argument. If the statement is true, then why isn't the logic true? If the statement really was true, shouldn't you be able to argue to that effect without making errors of reasoning?
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Ignoring your hypothesis of a governmental dumberererer program; if you want to take the approach that people are dumb and you need to speak to them in their language, then at least use the argument that makes sense. Statisticaly speaking, the distribution of the intelligence of the population is a standard Gaussian distribution, meaning that 50% of the population has below average intelligence.
But using such an argument means that the target audience of the literature and speeches which you link to are stupid people. They are producing propoganda for stupid people to be influenced into believing what they say is true. You are appealing to lemmings willing to follow anything they are fed because they are too stupid to realize the errors and factual inacuracies. This is no different then the propoganda of the extream christian right.
Any credibility these links had left are now completely gone.
If you want to redeem their credibility then please link me to an instance where they don't use these rediculous methods to prove a point.
Otherwise:
Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality. Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.Cuttingthroughthematrix is a FBI lead website being used to steer you away from the truth of reality.
ACCEPT IT!
no questions.
its true.
its fact.
No i don't need to back it up.
its fact. facts are facts. I just gave you facts,
believe it!
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The backing of Alan Watt's talks and articles is the writings of the dominant minority. He tells people their plans in their own words from their own books and cites the books he has taken the information from. He uses propoganda techniques to pummel the information in and forcibly commit it to memory. I think this is just fine and dandy, personally; why not use effective techniques?
It's not really my job to convinve you of anything. If you don't think I post credible or true information, then don't pay attention to it! Western hegemony is just great, the atrocities commited by our government in other countries stay in those other countries (I mean, why would a government hurt it's own people?), leaders are voted in democratically, free-trade and competitive capitalism are alive and well, and our education system works just fine.
Personally, I find it much easier to believe otherwise.
Alex
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