End of Fannish June, 2020 edition

Jun 30, 2020 21:43


We're half through 2020, so I thought it would be a good idea to sum up fandom feelings. I'm not sure the Earth survives to December 31st. And I happen to have some fandom things I'd like to write about.

End of Fannish Year June Meme 2020
1. Your main fandom of the year?

I rediscovered, or properly discovered, Tim Minchin - I only knew him from ( Read more... )

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alumfelga July 3 2020, 19:10:46 UTC
I think it was me who set you up on "Dark" after "Stranger Things" but then we never talked about it!
I think you did! I loved season one, when it started as a mystery story and then BANG! it's so much bigger. I loved that the characters actually looked like ordinary people in ordinary town (I call it European way, in American movies everyone is so pretty), although I was mixing up two male characters and two teenagers for too long :D And it was so refreshing to hear other language than English. I must do it more often.

With such series it's probably better co come in at the end and watch it all at once.
I think it's true. If only I could go back in time and tell myself that :D

now I got seriously addicted, already wrote 7 fanfictions and bought all the action figures.
Sounds like a typical Saturday :D I'm joking, but hey, new fandom, new joy.

I also over the past few weeks finally managed to watch "Pennyworth" and I am missing it deeply now.
I read it's about Alfred's past. I loke Londons, I like the 60s setting. Is it action-packed?Not the biggest fan of shooting and chasing.

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dieastra July 3 2020, 19:57:47 UTC
Haha, old problem, wrote too much. But then we haven't talked in a while!

Part 1/2:

So which do you say now, in hindsight, do you like better? "Stranger Things" or "Dark"? As you know I was not too fond of the third ST season but when they brought out the trailer for season 4 I was very much right back in the mood! Weird how they do that.

In the beginning a lot of people thought "Dark" was just a cheap copy, as it starts similarily with a vanished boy, but the makers said they had written it long ago before ST came out. It was just a coincidence.

There are lots of pages in the internet telling about all the connections between the people and who is who, and I often had to look at it to stay on top of it all. Very helpful!

And yes, I also liked the different than usual look. You can identify with those people. It feels normal. It could happen to any of us. Many Americans did watch the English dubbed version first but realized something was wrong (not knowing it was a German series) and then discovered the German original and preferred to watch that to hear the real voices. Like we do!

Although, coming back to Voyager, as I said, I was lazy at first. It started anew on German TV and I just wanted to check it out, to learn about names and characters. When I am not a fan I don't mind watching dubbed. And then I fell in love with the German voice of Chakotay which is just so smooth and really like honey. I didn't know it is possible to get addicted to a voice! But I did.

It was very difficult for me then to switch to the English original of Robert Beltran. I have come to love it now too, but that dubbed one, omg. German Janeway (Kate Mulgrew) is also more nice on the ears, her original is very throaty and raspy at times.

I caved now and watch English (just started season 5 out of 7), and can watch on my own pace and not wait for the one hour Monday till Friday, I was missing something on weekends!

Sounds like a typical Saturday :D

I hope you still enjoy the pictures without knowing the characters. Just scroll back a bit, it's all right there, very recent. And I got a link to a guy in America who 3-D prints sickbay beds and bridge parts for all the Star Trek series and I bought stuff from him, which makes my pictures so much better! Still waiting for the bridge, it's stuck in customs in Frankfurt.

To be continued in part 2

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dieastra July 3 2020, 19:58:15 UTC
And part 2/2:

new fandom, new joy.

You don't know how true that is! I mean, here I was sitting, waiting desperately for new "Orville" episodes. Season 2 ended in May 2019 which already is a long time ago, and now they had to stop filming like everyone else so who knows when we will ever get season 3. Originally it was planned for the end of this year.

"Voyager" certainly has filled that hole very nicely and I haven't thought about "Orville" in weeks!
And in all honesty, it also has helped me keeping sane during the first crazy weeks in March and April. One hour to get away from all the bad news. It was very relaxing.

And then in one episode I find the sentence: "Congregating in groups is strictly regulated. lt's considered to be a threat to public health." I couldn't believe my ears LOL

I read it's about Alfred's past. I like London, I like the 60s setting. Is it action-packed? Not the biggest fan of shooting and chasing.

No. I wouldn't say there is much shooting and chasing. There is much talking instead. In the wonderful accents. It's a bit political also, with two groups (left and right) both wanting to take over government from the crown, and spying on each other.

It's certainly an alternate reality. Although there is a young Queen she is not meant to be Elizabeth. She was not there during the war in our time, but here she was. Also while the look is Sixties, there are other things not fitting, like Zeppelins in the air.

It is a bit dark at times but as I said, the characters are all so wonderful and lovely. I mean, there is dark and there is dark. I don't like stuff when it's too dark and violent, but here is some humor to balance it. I love the Welsh buddy of Alfred! It's worth watching for him alone. And for Ma and Pa Pennyworth. And that young blonde woman who you will hate in episode 1 but love at the end. She has a Northern accent, like the Ninth Doctor. And Alfred is certainly a cutie as well. I hadn't heard of Jack Bannon before, do you know him?

Other than there also being Martha and Thomas from America, who will later be Bruce Wayne's parents, there are no connections to the Batman universe so one can watch it like a normal show. We also have no idea how this Alfred should ever end up as the butler.

And you know what I really liked about that show? All the women! And not just young beautiful ones. You see several elderly women in importat positions, doing the interrogations! I think that is truly progressive and one way to make this look different

I guess there is only one way to find out, have a look and see for yourself!

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alumfelga July 16 2020, 10:49:09 UTC
I don't know which show I liked more. It's hard to compare them. They might have a similar start point - like you say, a missing boy - but they're so different in what comes next and in tone. In Stranger Things, you're supposed to have a good time, often a laugh, look for references to 80's movies, while Dark becomes more and more... well, dark, character-focused, and of course you crack your head trying to figure out all the connections. I think Dark might have become a bit too complicated and too symbolic. It's not fun anymore if anything could mean anything and you're left with the puzzles with no idea how to arrange them. But maybe I'm too harsh, I should watch season 3 and see how it ends. My problem with Stranger Things is the fact that I was never its target as it tries to be as close to the 80's (or a vision of the 80's that is in American TV) as possible, including the sense of humour ("funny Russian man") and being okay with serious issues of the characters. I was thinking about the character who irritated me at most, Hopper (it was similar with you, right?) and I realised that the problem might be the fact that I judge him from the present point of view. We're less indulgent about drinking problems and bad parenting than we used to be. It's possible the in the 80's, his actions wouldn't seem THAT much wrong.

I didn't know it is possible to get addicted to a voice!
I could list a couple of names of people with incredibly addictive voices. :D It's hard to pay attention to what they're saying when you listen to them. Once I downloaded an audiobook with a Polish actor reading one of Agatha Christie stories, but I got so lost into the voice that I couldn't focus on the story :P

And then I fell in love with the German voice of Chakotay which is just so smooth and really like honey.
Now I'm interested in how he sounds!

It's good you had something to take your mind away from the pandemic. I recently read some post-apocalipse and anti-utopia books, and I have to admit, it's not a good read in times of uncertainity and unstability. Doesn't make you feel safer :D

Talking is what I like! I looked up John Bannon and while the face doesn't look familiar, he was in The Imitation Game and Medici, so I've seen him before. It would probably take few minutes to recognize him.

All the women! And not just young beautiful ones. You see several elderly women in importat positions, doing the interrogations! I think that is truly progressive and one way to make this look different
Great! I hate it when there are only young, Hollywood-type beautiful women who don't do anything important to the plot. Not the world I want to escape to.

I have to say, you sold it to me. I'll start and see how it goes, thank you!

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dieastra July 19 2020, 15:46:05 UTC
They really need to raise the limit on these posts... I'm too long again.

Part 1/2

It's not fun anymore if anything could mean anything and you're left with the puzzles with no idea how to arrange them.

I guess the same could be said about LOST. I watched it when it was on TV, but I never was in the fandom. There were people trying to decipher every little hint and in the end it turned out that the makers had no idea what they wanted and made it up as they went. Which is frustrating. A show like this should be planned from the start and know where they want to end.

I wanted to stop watching several times but whenever a new season came I checked it out and somehow got sucked in again. I had no idea what was going on, but the actors and characters were just mesmerizing to watch. I have a similar feeling now with the new HBO-show "Perry Mason" which I solely watch for Matthew Rhys (if you are looking for things to watch, I can't recommend "The Americans" highly enough. Especially for us on the East side of the curtain. Trust me! Now THAT was great TV and sadly much underrated. And there's six seasons for you to dive in.)

Anyway, I'm only in episode 2 of Perry Mason, have no idea what happened with the kidnapped baby but all the actors and also the setting in LA of the Thirties are so wonderful. There are many big names actors.

I was thinking about the character who irritated me at most, Hopper (it was similar with you, right?) and I realised that the problem might be the fact that I judge him from the present point of view.

The problem was that he was so different from season 1 and 2 Hopper! He was drinking then too, but still he was a caring person. I loved his quiet moments with Joyce. Them just standing together, sharing a cigarette, no words needed. I did not think the bickering in season 3 was any funny. I hated that.

It's hard to pay attention to what they're saying when you listen to them. Once I downloaded an audiobook with a Polish actor reading one of Agatha Christie stories, but I got so lost into the voice that I couldn't focus on the story :P

Yes, I have the same problem with David Tennant, both when listening to audios or even in the theatre, that I simply zone out and forget to listen what he is saying. But usually you know the man behind the voice, the actor. What I mean, I didn't know this guy, and when I looked him up, he looked totally different to what I had imagined. But his voice is a big reason why Chakotay has become my favorite character. I do miss hearing it, now that I watch in English.

Also I was surprised because usually I prefer men with deep rumbling voices. So for me to fall in love with a high, soft one was totally new and unexpected. The Chakotay character is great in that he does not need to shout to have authority and be a good leader.

There is a scene I am obsessed with as I think he is extra smooth in there. Some people had been kidnapped and he goes to free them. He just walks in there and says, listen to my voice, you will know I mean no harm, I am coming without weapons, but I want to take my friends with me. I uploaded this little clip with the German voice here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PunlTH7xDX4

There is also the speech of the angry warrior, but you probably should watch the English version first, for comparison. He is whispering a lot in the German version so the voice is a bit pressed at times, but it is a longer speech. In short, instead of just telling Janeway he loves her, he makes up this old ancient Indian tale about an angry warrior falling in love with a warrior princess and dedicating his life to her. Beautiful shipper moment. After this episode, I started to search for fanfictions... the rest is history.

English version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtNAWH5-SwI

German version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myroocaLTKc

To be continued in part 2/2

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dieastra July 19 2020, 15:46:26 UTC
And part 2/2:

and I have to admit, it's not a good read in times of uncertainity and unstability. Doesn't make you feel safer :D

Haha I can imagine! Apparently there is a movie on Netflix which many have watched with this theme.
Ever since this started I waited for TV to bring back "Outbreak" with Dustin Hoffman and last week they did. I recorded it and want to watch it.

I have to say, you sold it to me. I'll start and see how it goes, thank you!

So? Have you started yet? How far have you come? Will you let me know what you think?
Pa Pennyworth is also a bit odd and harsh in the beginning, but at the end I adored him. And Ma Pennyworth has an answer to every problem "I'll put the kettle on".
The producers may be American, but in any other regard this feels much like a British show. I wonder how they'll be doing in the next awards season.

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alumfelga July 21 2020, 10:38:29 UTC
I was, too, thinking about Lost. I watched season 1 and started season 2 when the show was already over, and nothing was becoming clear. Then I read that, as you pointed out, they were making things up as it went, and some things have been never explained, and I gave up.

I started my Dark rewatch, I'm half past season one and I'm not making any notes this time :D So far it's going well, I'm fine with remembering who is whose family, but I know it's season two when it gets really complicated.

Did you record the first video just for me? Thank you!
I think I know what you mean about liking deep voices, and this voice being quite high. But it has depth, and when I was listening to the cecond video, I thought the guy's voice is perfect for documentaries about space, its beauty and mysteries: strong, but gentle, calm.

I haven't seen Outbreak. Let me know how it feels to watch it at present :D

I haven't started Pennyworth yet, but it's on the list. I'll watch it after Dark.

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