“The Waters of Mars”: It all led to this. A meta made of quotes

[alumfelga]

Author:alumfelga
Title: “The Waters of Mars”: It all led to this. A meta made of quotes
Notes: Meta. Spoilers for Russell T Davies’ era.
Summary: It's a set of quotes from "The Waters of Mars" in juxtaposition with quotes from various episodes.

I love Russell T Davies’ writing. His stories are character-driven, the events lead to one another, and the 2005-

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[scripsi]

Waters of Mars is truly an amazing epsiode, for all it's so hard and painful to watch. You've made an excellent analysis! The companions have always grounded the Doctor, but Donna is the one who does it the most. And I think that if the Doctor really had continued to be Time Lord Victorious, he would have been much worse than the Master. Partly because while the Master at the best doesn't care if people are hurt or die or at the worst does it for fun because he's a sadist, we realise that the Doctor will do terribly things because he cares. And partly because the Doctor as Time Lord Victorious decides he can disregard the Laws of Time. The Master tries to find ways to be able to disregard the rules, like controlling Chronos in The Time Monster, or creating the paradox machine, but he never dares to just stand up and calmly defy it as the Doctor does. Ten is SO scary when he says that the Laws of Time will obey him. And they would have, I believe, and it would have been chaos and destruction on a Ccsmic scale.

[alumfelga]

Thank you so much!

The companions have always grounded the Doctor, but Donna is the one who does it the most.
True. I feel Martha's never quite managed to get through to him, he's been pushing her away for most time. And Rose was very good for the Ninth Doctor (It's not the one pointing the gun at me) but with Tenth, I had the feeling that he's been sweeping things under the carpet when he was with her. Donna was the one who's been with him in Pompeii and when he lost Jenny, and River. She's understood him best and she was always an equal to him.

Partly because while the Master at the best doesn't care if people are hurt or die or at the worst does it for fun because he's a sadist, we realise that the Doctor will do terribly things because he cares.
Precisely. How can you stop him when he believes he's doing the right thing?

And partly because the Doctor as Time Lord Victorious decides he can disregard the Laws of Time. The Master tries to find ways to be able to disregard the rules, like controlling Chronos in The Time Monster,

[scripsi]

She's understood him best and she was always an equal to him.

Yes, that was one of the things I loved about her- she could be insecure at times but she always valued herself as an equal to the Doctor. I'd love to see her tear in at the master when s/he talks about inferior humans...

I think the existence of the other Time Lords might be a significant factor here but you're right. The Master usually wants to rule people, the Doctor wants to rule time.

I'm sure we would never have see Time Lord Victorious if the Doctor hadn't thought he was the last one and the one who destroyed his people to boot. But the Master has a huge need to control his environment, while the Doctor just want to live i it.

And considering the Tenth mental state, I absolutely agree. Oh, I need fanfiction about it.

Oh yes!

[alumfelga]

I'd love to see her tear in at the master when s/he talks about inferior humans...
I hate that line. This is where Steven Moffat and I competely disagree.

But the Master has a huge need to control his environment, while the Doctor just want to live i it.
And then the fate, the universe hurts him again and again so he finally rages against the rules.

[scripsi]

I hate that line. This is where Steven Moffat and I competely disagree.

I wasn't thinking of any particular line here. :) The Master has always been disdainful towards human, it's not Moffat who came up with that.

And then the fate, the universe hurts him again and again so he finally rages against the rules

Exactly! :)

[alumfelga]

The Master has always been disdainful towards human, it's not Moffat who came up with that.
True, but it's not only the Master. It's also River Song - you have to be partly Time Lord to be the Doctor's "wife", to be truly important to him. When Simm!Master says the Doctor likes to play with Earth girls, I feel it's his opinion. When Missy says the line about humans being puppies, I somehow get a feeling it's not only her, it's Steven Moffat who says it and forces his opinion on the viewers. Maybe it's because we don't get any response from Clara. I can't explain it, in Moffat's episodes I sometimes just feel I'm being forced to accept someone's point of view as a fact rather than get my own perspective from watching the characters' actions. Maybe it's me who does something wrong but I've read some posts and I know I'm not the only one.

Anyway, it's a topic for a whole new conversation ;)

[scripsi]

Maybe it's me who does something wrong but I've read some posts and I know I'm not the only one.Actually, I don't think you can interpret things wrong. Contrary to the original intention, I'm sure, (whatever that may be), but we get our opinion from our own experience and backgroud. Sure, it may be subjective, but not wrong. And I think it's hugely interesting to see how differently we see things

[alumfelga]

It's all good points. I think I'll try to ignore what I feel Steven Moffat implies and focus on actual facts. All in all, it's what matters, isn't it?

[scripsi]

Well, feelings are powerful things. :)

[shyfoxling]

The Master has always been disdainful towards human, it's not Moffat who came up with that.

Time Lords in general are disdainful towards humans and really towards anything that isn't also a Time Lord, aren't they? The Doctor would seem to be one of a few exceptions and even he isn't exactly seeing himself on a level.