We need to make awesome TV together. For sure. Five years from now, it'll be our names coming up in the opening credits of Doctor Who and similar. What is it that you're studying at uni, out of interest?
I don't watch House, but that is EXACTLY the sort of relationship I was thinking of. Possibly a little bit more equal as the series goes on, as Jack learns to trust Archie's decisions as much as his own (only to have Archie make the wrong decision during a season finale because angst is part of what makes Jack, and because...well, it would be awesome drama).
Gaaaah, this idea is too perfect. <3
I'm debating whether or not it needs more characters. Because I think that Archie is referenced as literally the only member of Torchwood Two, but obviously nobody seems to know much about it anyway, so there might be others behind the scenes. It would be interesting if Jack played around with timelines to the extent that we actually got a sort of prequel to other characters, rather than just the Torchwood 3 team. Or if he seemingly contradicted what he knew to be the future, like making a decision that killed off somebody that he remembered was on the list of the dead at Canary Wharf, i.e. not meant to be dead yet. That would create interesting moral dilemmas. It would totally turn out to be somebody else with the same name, but lordy would it create dilemmas.
I think perhaps they need a medic, but that's it. I'd like to see a Torchwood team that's only three people because that's what it needs, rather than because it's been reduced to that number.
At the moment I'm studying theology, and generally looking at moving into practicing law... But I would adore being an author (I already consider myself to be a writer) and basically I think having RTD's job would be just a dream come true. I live in hope :P
OK, we're gonna have to develop this a bit then I think, because it is such win.
On other characters... Its an interesting angle to have such a small team, though I think there need to be a few recurring characters for Jack to feel linked to, responsible for, to care for in some small way. Perhaps only the medic is a formal member, because Archie too knows that Torchwood can destroy lives. Unlike Jack, who is very sociable and instinctively gathers a team, I see a possibilty of Archie having a range of people he sometimes works with when he needs help, but they aren't actually part of a team - for example, he may routinely retcon those he works with, a practice which again, would put Jack into rather a dilemma. He has done that in the past, yet maybe he finds to this extent the practice is horrible, unecessary. But again, he doesn't know whether to let himself care and become close to people again though that is his first instinct. Would the truth protect them or place them even more in harm's way? And so Jack starts letting one or two retain their memories, against Archie's wishes, to a range of consequences.
I mean, overall, I would want to gain both insight into the past and the lives of the Torchwood 3 team, in a similar way to the way Jack himself wants so much to be back with them but knows this is the closest he can allow himself to get to them, while also having Jack continue to have a present life and adventures, not purely (although slightly literally XD) living in the past. And what keeps Jack from brooding all the time is the present - the TW3 team helped him not always angst over the Doctor, and similarly a group of people at TW2 would help Jack live another parallel life.
Also, whether or not it goes anywhere, Jack needs at least one love interest. Because he's Jack. And then he can agonise over Ianto even more. Tis all about the conflict and moral dilemmas.
I know... Well. Actually, I was thinking more Moffat than RTD. I can be your right-hand man. =D
Having recurring characters that aren't part of the team would make this more interesting for me - there could be about ten of them, so that none of them are in every episode. Like Andy and Martha, who can be called upon but aren't official. It would also make the characters a lot more vulnerable, because any of them might be killed without it causing too much of a fuss (an emotional upheaval, sure, but easily replaced). I'd quite like to see Archie as similar to Jack at points, perhaps quite cold-hearted. To the point where he's seen so many team members die that he no longer allows himself to get close to any of them, and is able to replace people easily. That's cold in an entirely different way to Yvonne, because it's been repeatedly stated that she was a 'people person'. I'd like Archie to be somewhat of a hermit, actually. Hermits United. ;D
As for the medic, I'd like a male one - partly because I've grown attached to Owen and Greg (book-canon, sort of), and partly because the dynamics of an all-male team would be interesting. That said, I think it would be interesting if Jack's lead love interest was female, and one of the freelancers. Or, indeed, if he had multiple love interests within the group of freelancers, because that could have a knock-on effect between Torchwood and his private life.
There's an interesting relationship mentioned in the books between a couple who I ~think~ are both members of Torchwood. But Jack is actually having it off with both of them, even though they're due to get married. On their wedding day, they're both distant with each other, get paranoid that the other one knows about their affair with Jack, and commit suicide to 'save face'. It's really tragic, but it's not dived into particularly deeply, and I think it would be a wonderful angle to approach from, because Jack is obviously capable of multiple loving relationships at once. Perhaps not having the two people as a couple, but certainly having more than one love interest would be something new. Because then there's room for growth when they learn about each other. Maybe they're comfortable with Jack not being exclusive - maybe Jack feels he can't be, after what happened with Ianto, maybe he doesn't want to settle down and pin all his hopes on one person again.
It would also be interesting if Archie or the medic is obsessed with the mysterious Doctor and Jack has to fight to stop them charging in every time there's an appearance (because obviously he'd then cross his own timeline). Ooh! D'you remember Malcolm, the Doctor's 'best friend' from Planet of the Dead? Maybe he could be one of Torchwood Two's contacts before joining UNIT. Maybe Jack was the one who told him about the Doctor in the first place...
We need to make awesome TV together. For sure. Five years from now, it'll be our names coming up in the opening credits of Doctor Who and similar. What is it that you're studying at uni, out of interest?
I don't watch House, but that is EXACTLY the sort of relationship I was thinking of. Possibly a little bit more equal as the series goes on, as Jack learns to trust Archie's decisions as much as his own (only to have Archie make the wrong decision during a season finale because angst is part of what makes Jack, and because...well, it would be awesome drama).
Gaaaah, this idea is too perfect. <3
I'm debating whether or not it needs more characters. Because I think that Archie is referenced as literally the only member of Torchwood Two, but obviously nobody seems to know much about it anyway, so there might be others behind the scenes. It would be interesting if Jack played around with timelines to the extent that we actually got a sort of prequel to other characters, rather than just the Torchwood 3 team. Or if he seemingly contradicted what he knew to be the future, like making a decision that killed off somebody that he remembered was on the list of the dead at Canary Wharf, i.e. not meant to be dead yet. That would create interesting moral dilemmas. It would totally turn out to be somebody else with the same name, but lordy would it create dilemmas.
I think perhaps they need a medic, but that's it. I'd like to see a Torchwood team that's only three people because that's what it needs, rather than because it's been reduced to that number.
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OK, we're gonna have to develop this a bit then I think, because it is such win.
On other characters... Its an interesting angle to have such a small team, though I think there need to be a few recurring characters for Jack to feel linked to, responsible for, to care for in some small way. Perhaps only the medic is a formal member, because Archie too knows that Torchwood can destroy lives. Unlike Jack, who is very sociable and instinctively gathers a team, I see a possibilty of Archie having a range of people he sometimes works with when he needs help, but they aren't actually part of a team - for example, he may routinely retcon those he works with, a practice which again, would put Jack into rather a dilemma. He has done that in the past, yet maybe he finds to this extent the practice is horrible, unecessary. But again, he doesn't know whether to let himself care and become close to people again though that is his first instinct. Would the truth protect them or place them even more in harm's way? And so Jack starts letting one or two retain their memories, against Archie's wishes, to a range of consequences.
I mean, overall, I would want to gain both insight into the past and the lives of the Torchwood 3 team, in a similar way to the way Jack himself wants so much to be back with them but knows this is the closest he can allow himself to get to them, while also having Jack continue to have a present life and adventures, not purely (although slightly literally XD) living in the past. And what keeps Jack from brooding all the time is the present - the TW3 team helped him not always angst over the Doctor, and similarly a group of people at TW2 would help Jack live another parallel life.
Also, whether or not it goes anywhere, Jack needs at least one love interest. Because he's Jack. And then he can agonise over Ianto even more. Tis all about the conflict and moral dilemmas.
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Having recurring characters that aren't part of the team would make this more interesting for me - there could be about ten of them, so that none of them are in every episode. Like Andy and Martha, who can be called upon but aren't official. It would also make the characters a lot more vulnerable, because any of them might be killed without it causing too much of a fuss (an emotional upheaval, sure, but easily replaced). I'd quite like to see Archie as similar to Jack at points, perhaps quite cold-hearted. To the point where he's seen so many team members die that he no longer allows himself to get close to any of them, and is able to replace people easily. That's cold in an entirely different way to Yvonne, because it's been repeatedly stated that she was a 'people person'. I'd like Archie to be somewhat of a hermit, actually. Hermits United. ;D
As for the medic, I'd like a male one - partly because I've grown attached to Owen and Greg (book-canon, sort of), and partly because the dynamics of an all-male team would be interesting. That said, I think it would be interesting if Jack's lead love interest was female, and one of the freelancers. Or, indeed, if he had multiple love interests within the group of freelancers, because that could have a knock-on effect between Torchwood and his private life.
There's an interesting relationship mentioned in the books between a couple who I ~think~ are both members of Torchwood. But Jack is actually having it off with both of them, even though they're due to get married. On their wedding day, they're both distant with each other, get paranoid that the other one knows about their affair with Jack, and commit suicide to 'save face'. It's really tragic, but it's not dived into particularly deeply, and I think it would be a wonderful angle to approach from, because Jack is obviously capable of multiple loving relationships at once. Perhaps not having the two people as a couple, but certainly having more than one love interest would be something new. Because then there's room for growth when they learn about each other. Maybe they're comfortable with Jack not being exclusive - maybe Jack feels he can't be, after what happened with Ianto, maybe he doesn't want to settle down and pin all his hopes on one person again.
It would also be interesting if Archie or the medic is obsessed with the mysterious Doctor and Jack has to fight to stop them charging in every time there's an appearance (because obviously he'd then cross his own timeline). Ooh! D'you remember Malcolm, the Doctor's 'best friend' from Planet of the Dead? Maybe he could be one of Torchwood Two's contacts before joining UNIT. Maybe Jack was the one who told him about the Doctor in the first place...
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