Your country or your family

[almostwitty]

UPDATE: The proposals have actually been announced, and the minimum income starts at £18,600 - and rises to £22,400 if you have a child. Thereafter, it’s £2,400 for every additional child.

However, the probation time between getting further leave to stay in the UK and indefinite leave to remain in the UK has been expanded from two to five years. We

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[maitressep]

£27,200 to support a wife and 3 kids? I barely think that's ample. It around the UK average wage, I don't see anything remotely exceptional in that??

[almostwitty]

I think she's referring to the originally speculated figure of £63k as a minimum to bring over a spouse and three kids. Which would put you at the top 15% of UK pay, and a figure barely achieveable outside of London...

[maitressep]

As I read it, it's £27,200. With a non-working wife and 3 kids, I would say a minimum of £40k reasonable.

[maitressep]

What makes you think that she imagines £63k to be an average income? She certainly hasn't said that. There's a world of difference between knowing what the average UK salary is, and setting an immigration rate, they are 2 vastly different things. If I can see that, why can't you?

If your parents raised you on the new amount, then unless you are 3 years old as of now, you will understand that the new amount is very out of date, and is in fact way too low, taking into account inflation and the cost of living over the last 20 years. £40K would be an average for 2 adults and 3 kids.

Unless immigration is actually stemmed, that new figure will have to be increased substantially to a more realistic amount, and quite soon.

[maitressep]

Because it's a preventative amount of course!

But as we can see, thanks to your link, the new amount is in fact wayyyy to low, by at least £10k and needs to be increased.

[maitressep]

I want to emigrate to Oz, but the financial requirements are beyond what I can reach, and having family and friends there doesn't help, and nor does my age. It's a case of suck it up princess, no other country is obliged to take me, and I see no reason why my country shouldn't be the same. There are in face very very few countries in the world, that you can just decide to live in. The UK is merely catching up with the rest of the world. Unfortunately, the UK let too many people in, for far too long, and now it's bitten us royally in the arse.

[almostwitty]

It seems a bit odd, to say the least, how in the last 20 years the general cry from governments has been "One world! Globalisation! One EU! One single market!", and now we can contact people and build relationships with people in Australia/America as easily as we can do in South Wales/York ...

to then revert to 20th Century thinking in terms of immigration.

If, as you suggest, the UK let in too many people in the first place, is that not merely a symptom of a time when Great Britain ruled 25% of the world and let people move back and forth across the Commonwealth?

You're right, no country is obliged to take you. But having watched far too many episodes of Australia's Nothing To Declare, I've built the picture that Australia (or at least its customs folk) is a very unwelcoming country, which therefore will not benefit from my tourism money. And is that not a bad thing in a world with a globalised economy?

[maitressep]

I find Oz a very welcoming country in terms of tourism *if* you abide by their rules. Their tourism is rocketing, and I think they're pretty happy with their rules, they clearly work.

Yes, the over-immigration is symptematic of the Commonwealth. Which was never a good thing anyway.

And I think people are changing their minds about single markets and the like. I knew that wouldn't take long. That's why we won't be bailing the Spanish out.

[almostwitty]

And surely, if, as you say, "Unfortunately, the UK let too many people in, for far too long", the logical solution would be to kick people out who don't belong?

And then you'd have to make the call as to which legal migrants you would kick out.

[maitressep]

So you aren't a new immigrant, and the new rules won't apply to you. You are already in process, no?