I probably wasn't explaining clearly: the fascism depicted in the book version is very World War II as well, complete with the interment camps.
I second your thoughts about Thatcher. In Moore's defense, in the 1988 commentary he's complaining about Thatcher entering her third term and the fact the AIDS crisis has risen to a panic where it was suggested that homosexuality be ruled out as a "practice". He puts off the inaccuracy of their speculation by basically saying how it's even worse and people are even stupider than they thought. I guess if you're a Fox news fan, you could frame it that the world is destroyed because the liberals got power. Speaking of which, I'm delighted to read that the movie thoroughly disgusted so much of that crowd. What an endorsement! :^D
I know the movie is markedly different (I've been trying to catch it-- I caught enough on YouTube to realize it was going to be a very different animal), but the book did have an O'Reilly (or Limbaugh?) and V drove him insane.
Books versus movies are always interesting (when they aren't depressing).
O HAI-- I thought this was interesting. In the book, it talks about Evey Hammond being born in 1981 (which makes her sixteen at the beginning of the book). I know they made the future more distant in the movie, but I thought it kinda cool that Natalie Portman was born the same year as her character in the book. Or... something. < /cool story, bro >
Oh, okay. Hah, that would make sense for them to have the internment camps and thus the medical experiments and thus "V", wouldn't it, Ashlie? I guess I was just... like, in the movie, the movement was chiefly driven by politics. I had to re-learn what had taken place, but it turns out that in the movie the warfare is not nuclear--it's, well, mostly psychological.
I don't know if you've seen this clip, but it basically sums up what happened in that respect.
Thatcher seemed to be the inspiration for many creative endeavors of the time (or at least this and The Wall). I hadn't known that AIDS had gotten that bad over there. *shivers* It's like I can hear them say "We're protecting you from yourselves!"
Hee, that's cool that it upset so many people. It's also interesting that the movie kind of upset Moore himself--though for different reasons. According to Wikipedia, he said:
[The movie] has been "turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country... It's a thwarted and frustrated and largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values standing up against a state run by neoconservatives - which is not what the comic V for Vendetta was about. It was about fascism, it was about anarchy, it was about England.
I, uh, actually really liked it--even with the plot holes and vagueness. It was my favorite movie for a while--before I'd let myself accept a lot of things, even. Valerie's story was probably my favorite part. And Hugo Weaving's voice.
Lewis Prothero--The Voice of Faith! V doesn't drive him insane in the movie--he just kills him (unh, no fun). There is a shot of his dolls, though. I think I remember them mentioning something about the guy's creepy fascination in the commentary.
Dude, that's awesome! I bet they totally planned that;P
I'd read that about Moore (I hit up Wikipedia and YouTube while I was still reading-- the political clusterfuck about a fourth of the way in that they should've ironed out I had reread four times and was still going "Okay... wait... who?"), but given that he's said that about nearly every film adaption of his work (meaning it's betraying the original material), I'm more inclined to believe he's afraid of looking like a sell-out if he praises a film. I'm basing that on his commentary in the book which was kinda... smarmy. He also sounds like an attention-needer (just given the way the statement is phrased, it begs for headlines)-- granted, I don't the know man or his work very well at all, it's just the vibe I get.
I've heard on some levels, the film is better than the book. I try to appreciate films and books as two separate animals and I mostly fail miserably. :^D
I'd really like to see the movie. Unfortunately a lot of my stand-by "not-so-legal" sites don't appear to have it which makes me want to sob. I'll even tolerate Natalie Portman's iffy-sounding British accent.
OT, but I watched Howl and should've said so when I did. Soooooo.... trippy. Not what you'd think, seriously. There is super hot sexxinz, of course, which is what my prurient mind was largely interested in, but... yeah. Very trippy. That's my fucked-up way of saying !!!!THANK YOU!!!! again. I hope we can one day watch it together on our own TV in our own swinging "Golden Girls-but-in-their-20s" pad. SNIFF.
ADDENDUM: Dude, I really want one of these damn masks now. And lots of other artsy masks, too, but one of these. YOU NEED THEM TO PROTEST! I'm really sad I don't have anything to dress up for this year. :^( Last year I was the [citation needed] sign and everything!!!! AND YOU WERE IT WITH ME WE WERE LIKE A HORSE COSTUME ONLY NO ONE WAS THE ASS (except the one dude).
But yeah...
FURTHER ADDENDUM: Am I creepy to want this just to wear as an accessory?
EVEN FURTHER ADDENDUM: I want this just to scare the hell out of people. Wear it on the Light Rail with a nice dress. Converse with a friend, acting like there's nothing out of the ordinary. It would work best if the car was mildly deserted and the person or persons were mildly drunk.
INDEED, THOSE MASKS ARE AWESOME! MOST OF DA PEEPS ON WALL STREET ARE DOING IT WRONG!
Man, we're kind of allegedly supposed to have a thing here on like the 29th. I wish I could get you here AND guarantee that some unnamed party won't ruin it. I don't know :(
EEEE!!! And you posted the picture! I can't believe that was almost a friggin' year ago. You look so beautiful and gracious with your gorgeous and friendly smile... then there's that troll smirking on the end.
Dude, no, it's not creepy. In fact, since I've kind of gotten into the Team Fortress 2 fandom, I've sort of taken a liking to those because one of the Medic character's optional accessories is a plague doctor mask. I like your more masquerade-type mask better, though. Plague doctor masks still give me the creeps.
OMG, THAT HORSE MASK. That is hilariously terrifying. Yes, Light Rail with a nice dress with limited/mildly inebriated witnesses, and possibly at night. YEEEEESSSSSSSssssss.
Aw, it's ok. I'll live and costume parties can happen at any time, right? RIGHT.
That was such a good time, even if it involved Michael which was a bit of a buzzkill even though he was good-side then. Sigh. AND STFU, you look pixieish and adorable and not like the fat pile of hair (those pants could seriously not be more unflattering if I tried) on the right. I've yet to find the picture of us taken by that couple. It's... weird, yanno?
You're so fandom connected! My lazy ass hasn't done anything lately.
Yeah, and spontaneous(ish) costume parties are sometimes more fun for that reason. Mom can make all the plans she wants. I'm not looking forward to it--if it happens at all. Anyway, in slightly more pleasant news: HAVE SOME CUTE.
Oh hush, you! *hugs* That is kinda weird. Maybe they just don't post their pictures.
Um, I wouldn't say I've DONE anything, besides mooch off of talented fans like Humon.
There are some books/movies that it seems impossible to read/watch certain parts without hitting up Mr. Wiki (hee, that sounds dirty) to explain it. The movie's plot gets pretty convoluted, but there aren't nearly as many characters to keep track of. And I don't really know anything about Moore. I do agree with you about his possible motives for saying those things.
It's hard to judge the book and movie separately. You may have already read this, but it gives a pretty fair comparison, I think.
DAMMIT! I'm so mad at myself for giving away my copy. When we were getting ready to move, we got rid of a lot of things and V ended up in the library box because I hadn't watched it in years; basically because I knew I'd be watching it by myself and I usually avoid movies like that. I really wish I would have hung onto it. Well, you'll see it. You'll get to hear Natalie Portman's iffy accent and see Hugo Weaving's occasional (kind of adorable) over-acting. Not that he isn't really good, it's just, sometimes he might let his enjoyment get in the way a little?
It's seriously trippy? I didn't know Howl was like that. I mean, I'm glad the sexxin's were hot, as the clip kind of showed, but... I just found the clip again on the Tubes and there was this other clip I didn't click on, but its picture was this cartoony still with a red background and black hands. That probably wasn't the trippiest part, but it still catches you by surprise. That's like when Alex and I watched all of Kill Bill Volume 1 for the first time. There's a scene in it that's beautifully animated, but is so disturbing, I sometimes want to cry when I think about it.
*awkward cough* Anyway, YES! You are absolutely welcome. I hope we get to see it in our swingin' pad, too. Is it sick I'm already looking at stuff for the kitchen?
There's a lot of animation in the movie. For realz.
Damn, you've now made me want to see Kill Bill.
I have kitchen shit already? Left over from the brief halcyon time I lived alone? Goddamn, that's been in storage for-- well, too long. I hope to fuck none of the ceramics broke. :^( We're talking gorgeous Pier 1 finery here.
It's a pretty good movie. I don't really know what your tolerance level for violence and gore is, but it's definitely got its share. Strangely, the sequel has a lot less. And maybe the animated scene wouldn't bother me so much if a child wasn't a witness to the violence (involving her parents).
That sounds so cool! I hope the crockery is okay, too. I knew you already had stuff--I just go on Amazon a lot when I'm excited:P
I second your thoughts about Thatcher. In Moore's defense, in the 1988 commentary he's complaining about Thatcher entering her third term and the fact the AIDS crisis has risen to a panic where it was suggested that homosexuality be ruled out as a "practice". He puts off the inaccuracy of their speculation by basically saying how it's even worse and people are even stupider than they thought. I guess if you're a Fox news fan, you could frame it that the world is destroyed because the liberals got power. Speaking of which, I'm delighted to read that the movie thoroughly disgusted so much of that crowd. What an endorsement! :^D
I know the movie is markedly different (I've been trying to catch it-- I caught enough on YouTube to realize it was going to be a very different animal), but the book did have an O'Reilly (or Limbaugh?) and V drove him insane.
Books versus movies are always interesting (when they aren't depressing).
O HAI-- I thought this was interesting. In the book, it talks about Evey Hammond being born in 1981 (which makes her sixteen at the beginning of the book). I know they made the future more distant in the movie, but I thought it kinda cool that Natalie Portman was born the same year as her character in the book. Or... something. < /cool story, bro >
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I don't know if you've seen this clip, but it basically sums up what happened in that respect.
Thatcher seemed to be the inspiration for many creative endeavors of the time (or at least this and The Wall). I hadn't known that AIDS had gotten that bad over there. *shivers* It's like I can hear them say "We're protecting you from yourselves!"
Hee, that's cool that it upset so many people. It's also interesting that the movie kind of upset Moore himself--though for different reasons. According to Wikipedia, he said:
[The movie] has been "turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country... It's a thwarted and frustrated and largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values standing up against a state run by neoconservatives - which is not what the comic V for Vendetta was about. It was about fascism, it was about anarchy, it was about England.
I, uh, actually really liked it--even with the plot holes and vagueness. It was my favorite movie for a while--before I'd let myself accept a lot of things, even. Valerie's story was probably my favorite part. And Hugo Weaving's voice.
Lewis Prothero--The Voice of Faith! V doesn't drive him insane in the movie--he just kills him (unh, no fun). There is a shot of his dolls, though. I think I remember them mentioning something about the guy's creepy fascination in the commentary.
Dude, that's awesome! I bet they totally planned that;P
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I've heard on some levels, the film is better than the book. I try to appreciate films and books as two separate animals and I mostly fail miserably. :^D
I'd really like to see the movie. Unfortunately a lot of my stand-by "not-so-legal" sites don't appear to have it which makes me want to sob. I'll even tolerate Natalie Portman's iffy-sounding British accent.
OT, but I watched Howl and should've said so when I did. Soooooo.... trippy. Not what you'd think, seriously. There is super hot sexxinz, of course, which is what my prurient mind was largely interested in, but... yeah. Very trippy.
That's my fucked-up way of saying !!!!THANK YOU!!!! again. I hope we can one day watch it together on our own TV in our own swinging "Golden Girls-but-in-their-20s" pad. SNIFF.
Uh, and about James Franco and gay/bi roles?
As Franco himself pointed out, “The Broken Tower” also contains two scenes apt to stir up a lot of discussion. One is a 10-minute sequence in which the action stops and we stay on Crane’s face as he reads the entirety of his long, thorny poem “For the Marriage of Faustus and Helen.”
The second is an oral sex scene between Crane and another man that at one point gets so explicit as to all but guarantee an NC-17 rating. (Though the scene is dimly lit, it clearly shows Franco performing oral sex on what is reportedly a prosthetic penis.)
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I'm really sad I don't have anything to dress up for this year. :^( Last year I was the [citation needed] sign and everything!!!! AND YOU WERE IT WITH ME WE WERE LIKE A HORSE COSTUME ONLY NO ONE WAS THE ASS (except the one dude).
But yeah...
FURTHER ADDENDUM: Am I creepy to want this just to wear as an accessory?
EVEN FURTHER ADDENDUM: I want this just to scare the hell out of people. Wear it on the Light Rail with a nice dress. Converse with a friend, acting like there's nothing out of the ordinary. It would work best if the car was mildly deserted and the person or persons were mildly drunk.
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Man, we're kind of allegedly supposed to have a thing here on like the 29th. I wish I could get you here AND guarantee that some unnamed party won't ruin it. I don't know :(
EEEE!!! And you posted the picture! I can't believe that was almost a friggin' year ago. You look so beautiful and gracious with your gorgeous and friendly smile... then there's that troll smirking on the end.
Dude, no, it's not creepy. In fact, since I've kind of gotten into the Team Fortress 2 fandom, I've sort of taken a liking to those because one of the Medic character's optional accessories is a plague doctor mask. I like your more masquerade-type mask better, though. Plague doctor masks still give me the creeps.
OMG, THAT HORSE MASK. That is hilariously terrifying. Yes, Light Rail with a nice dress with limited/mildly inebriated witnesses, and possibly at night. YEEEEESSSSSSSssssss.
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That was such a good time, even if it involved Michael which was a bit of a buzzkill even though he was good-side then. Sigh. AND STFU, you look pixieish and adorable and not like the fat pile of hair (those pants could seriously not be more unflattering if I tried) on the right.
I've yet to find the picture of us taken by that couple. It's... weird, yanno?
You're so fandom connected! My lazy ass hasn't done anything lately.
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Oh hush, you! *hugs* That is kinda weird. Maybe they just don't post their pictures.
Um, I wouldn't say I've DONE anything, besides mooch off of talented fans like Humon.
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It's hard to judge the book and movie separately. You may have already read this, but it gives a pretty fair comparison, I think.
DAMMIT! I'm so mad at myself for giving away my copy. When we were getting ready to move, we got rid of a lot of things and V ended up in the library box because I hadn't watched it in years; basically because I knew I'd be watching it by myself and I usually avoid movies like that. I really wish I would have hung onto it. Well, you'll see it. You'll get to hear Natalie Portman's iffy accent and see Hugo Weaving's occasional (kind of adorable) over-acting. Not that he isn't really good, it's just, sometimes he might let his enjoyment get in the way a little?
It's seriously trippy? I didn't know Howl was like that. I mean, I'm glad the sexxin's were hot, as the clip kind of showed, but... I just found the clip again on the Tubes and there was this other clip I didn't click on, but its picture was this cartoony still with a red background and black hands. That probably wasn't the trippiest part, but it still catches you by surprise. That's like when Alex and I watched all of Kill Bill Volume 1 for the first time. There's a scene in it that's beautifully animated, but is so disturbing, I sometimes want to cry when I think about it.
*awkward cough* Anyway, YES! You are absolutely welcome. I hope we get to see it in our swingin' pad, too. Is it sick I'm already looking at stuff for the kitchen?
Duuuuuuuuuuude. Guh, need to see this. NEED.
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Damn, you've now made me want to see Kill Bill.
I have kitchen shit already? Left over from the brief halcyon time I lived alone? Goddamn, that's been in storage for-- well, too long. I hope to fuck none of the ceramics broke. :^( We're talking gorgeous Pier 1 finery here.
*zones out, fantasizing*
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It's a pretty good movie. I don't really know what your tolerance level for violence and gore is, but it's definitely got its share. Strangely, the sequel has a lot less. And maybe the animated scene wouldn't bother me so much if a child wasn't a witness to the violence (involving her parents).
That sounds so cool! I hope the crockery is okay, too. I knew you already had stuff--I just go on Amazon a lot when I'm excited:P
*my eyes are like doughnuts--they're glazed*
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