I feel a 100% what you feel, and actually, thank you so much for this post and articulating the why. I also can't have children and it affected my life in very dramatic real ways and I've been thankful for the show for many reasons regarding this issue.
I guess what I mean that it doesn't bother me because it's their last season is because A) I'm not going to see the ramifications of this plot device and because B) it very much was a plot device. El needed to be back home, since they only have 6 eps, it had to happen fast. There are a lot of ways that could have happened that would have bothered me more.
I agree with much of what you said. However, the plot device wouldn't have been necessary if they didn't create the National Gallery job at the very end of last season. They knew then, that they were going to have bring El back giving them plenty of time, to either A) not create the job and the conundrum in the first place or B) take the ten months they had to work on this script to come up with something else.
Absolutely! I think it could have been so many different ways/or, like you said, avoided all together. I just meant that of all the ways they could have brought her back, there are a lot of them that would have been worse, imho.
Exactly. They were solving a problem they created for themselves. And the fact that there are worse ways they could have solved it doesn't change that they chose this one, and it hurts, and I just really needed to express that.
More on this after I get home from work, but thank you so much for this. I definitely agree with everything you said. And last paragraph - yes!
I can physically have children but have "chosen" not to (chosen in quotes because I've known from the time I was a small child that I never wanted any, so I feel I was born that way and didn't choose it), and it was so refreshing to have a wonderful childless couple on TV! I know they're only characters on a show, but they were great role models for those who are constantly bombarded with the fact that we're somehow defective or lead unfulfilled lives just because we either can't or have chosen not to have kids.
Okay, back with more...although I realized that there probably isn't anything more I could add anyway. You've said basically everything I was thinking.
I absolutely loved this ep, especially with the Peter and Mozzie interactions and the old vibe returning between Peter and Neal. And then they fucked up the ending.
I'll admit that I knew about it beforehand because I'm not averse to spoilers - but I didn't realize it would happen at the end of this ep (thought we wouldn't find out until at least 602). I think knowing beforehand definitely helped to ease the anger that I first felt. It had just morphed into sadness by the time I saw that scene in the premiere. Sadness and disappointment.
Also, we've seen and/or read interviews with both Tim and Tiffani through the seasons, and they've seemed pretty insistent that they didn't want Peter and El to have kids. Now I know it wasn't their decision, but from what I've read, the cast had at least some input into the events of this season. It just adds to the sadness that they didn't put up
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Rambling is allowed here :-). I avoided spoilers, so I didn't know. As soon as she said something about the drug test showing "something interesting," though, I knew what was coming. And I feel the same -sad and disappointed.
"they were great role models for those who are constantly bombarded with the fact that we're somehow defective or lead unfulfilled lives just because we either can't or have chosen not to have kids."
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I feel a 100% what you feel, and actually, thank you so much for this post and articulating the why. I also can't have children and it affected my life in very dramatic real ways and I've been thankful for the show for many reasons regarding this issue.
I guess what I mean that it doesn't bother me because it's their last season is because A) I'm not going to see the ramifications of this plot device and because B) it very much was a plot device. El needed to be back home, since they only have 6 eps, it had to happen fast. There are a lot of ways that could have happened that would have bothered me more.
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I agree with much of what you said. However, the plot device wouldn't have been necessary if they didn't create the National Gallery job at the very end of last season. They knew then, that they were going to have bring El back giving them plenty of time, to either A) not create the job and the conundrum in the first place or B) take the ten months they had to work on this script to come up with something else.
Just my two cents!
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I can physically have children but have "chosen" not to (chosen in quotes because I've known from the time I was a small child that I never wanted any, so I feel I was born that way and didn't choose it), and it was so refreshing to have a wonderful childless couple on TV! I know they're only characters on a show, but they were great role models for those who are constantly bombarded with the fact that we're somehow defective or lead unfulfilled lives just because we either can't or have chosen not to have kids.
More later...but _thank you_.
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You've articulated my own thoughts very well.
Thanks algeiban!
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I absolutely loved this ep, especially with the Peter and Mozzie interactions and the old vibe returning between Peter and Neal. And then they fucked up the ending.
I'll admit that I knew about it beforehand because I'm not averse to spoilers - but I didn't realize it would happen at the end of this ep (thought we wouldn't find out until at least 602). I think knowing beforehand definitely helped to ease the anger that I first felt. It had just morphed into sadness by the time I saw that scene in the premiere. Sadness and disappointment.
Also, we've seen and/or read interviews with both Tim and Tiffani through the seasons, and they've seemed pretty insistent that they didn't want Peter and El to have kids. Now I know it wasn't their decision, but from what I've read, the cast had at least some input into the events of this season. It just adds to the sadness that they didn't put up ( ... )
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"they were great role models for those who are constantly bombarded with the fact that we're somehow defective or lead unfulfilled lives just because we either can't or have chosen not to have kids."
This. Yes. Exactly this.
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