I loved Jon's moments with Stannis, but the wildling stuff was rather boring to me. And I think as far as plot armour goes, Tyrion and Daenerys are WAY worse than Jon, and I'd rather see those two die than Jon. As of ADWD, Jon is one of the most interesting characters, imo, and I'd hate to see him go or turn into a zombie. That being said, I don't want him to be AA either (though I'd still prefer that to Daenerys being AA).
I really wondered about the wildlings, too. Did they just watch while the Night's Watch killed Jon? Makes no sense to me.
I'd be all for Aegon and Daenerys killing each other. ;) Nah, tbh, I don't want Daenerys to return to Westeros at all. But that's just wishful thinking, so honestly I think we will get some sort of Stannis-Daenerys-Aegon stand-off, maybe with Jon as well if GRRM does take him on the whole hero/AA/king in the North/secret Targaryen road. :/ DNW.
I hope Cersei will die because of Jaime, whether because he literally kills her or because he fails to save her I don't care. I think it's pretty obvious it won't be Tyrion. But there are so many other possibilities: it might just as well be Tommen, in some way, or Loras.
True, Barristan is humble, but maybe I was disappointed because he was so normal and flawed. Barristan was descibed as the paragon of knighthood by everyone, but to me he just seems like a rather weak guy with great fighting skills and little personality, who just attaches himself to someone he calls his king or queen and then switches off his own moral judgement. He's the perfect Kingsguard, but I don't think he's that great a knight.
Well, if Daenerys turns out to be the big bad (which I hope), she could work with Victarion, of course. That'd be epic.
Lol the Seven. ;) I love Stannis' story of how he lost his faith, it makes so much sense to me. I hate all those stories of "I started to believe in God BECAUSE something awful happened to me." Stannis' stance ("I stopped believing in the gods because any true, good gods would never have allowed that to happen") is so much closer to my own worldview. ;)
I think the wildlings are important. The war with others is going to start any minute, so they will on the front lines of the battlefield. And I liked all the funny stuff with Wun Wun and Tommen. And Val is lovely.
I like Tyrion, though . I just do. :D
I just wish Martin does what he did in "Fevre Dream" and that Azor Ahai idea will not work out the same way everyone wants it to work out.
There is nothing about the wildlings during the attack on Jon, but they were there: " Men poured from the surrounding keeps and towers. Northmen, free folk.." I kept thinking: are you all mad, people? Go and protect Jon! Or you are going to have a bloodbath following his assassination.
Coincidentally, I just realised that it is entirely possible that Stannis can be having conversations with Roose Bolton by now. :D
How do you see Loars in valonquar role? He is not related to Cersei?
Oh, I love it that Barristan is flawed. I also loved that at the end he begins to use his own judgement a little which is must have been .. hard? He is 63, and he has never done it before? I love how firm he is in protecting the little child hostages, for example. Compare this with Ned, for example, who must have had more opportunities to exercise his own judgement and still was so .. stiff?
I am going to hope that Daenerys is a BIG BAD. I WANT IT!
I am pragmatic - things work, I believe in them, things don't , I won't. :D I would have definitely checked that R'hllor.
Obviously the wildlings are important, and I rather liked their role in ADWD, but I found Jon's earlier storyline with the wildlings (in, what was it, ASOS? or already ACOK?) rather boring. I didn't find Jon himself very interesting, Ygritte was just annoying as hell, and I couldn't care less about what happened to Jon. I understand how it was important character development for him, I just didn't care.
I used to love Tyrion, but as I said before, I think he should have died. But I'm repeating myself there. :)
I'm fairly sure that there will be some twist on the whole AA/PTWP prophecy, but there probably still will BE some sort of AA. :/ 'course it would be cool if the PTWP turns bad. Star Wars style. "No, Daenerys, you were the chosen one!" Darth Vader!Daenerys would be hilarious.
There will be some sort of bloodbath, no matter if Jon is dead, dying, resurrected, whatever. :/
Stannis and Roose ... I want Stannis to get out of this as the winner, obviously, but I just don't want Roose to die. ;) I really want Roose to be the one to kill Ramsay, or sell him out to Stannis.
Oh, I just read theories about the fact that the "valonquar" could be any little brother, not necessarily CERSEI's little brother. *shrug* I'm not sure I buy that, I'm still for Jaime killing her, it seems most likely, especially with her conviction that she and Jaime will "leave this world together". BUT if it's not Jaime (and most definitely not Tyrion), it could be any little brother, right? And Loras is the youngest brother of his family. But, again, I'm not sure I buy those theories.
Ned exercised his own judgement, for example when he refused to ally himself with Renly (even though that was probably the RIGHT thing to do, joining forces with Robert's brothers). His judgement was just absolutely horrible. I have no trouble with Barristan being flawed. I was just somewhat disappointed that the most honourable, awesome knight in the realm was so ... well, disappointing. I had my doubts about Barristan before (his behaviour was extremely questionable on numerous occasions), and somehow I had hoped that his POV chapters would clear things up, maybe restore the iffy feeling I got about him. I expected to get clear explanations for his past behaviour, the kind of moral justification for his actions that I would expect from a man who is always described as so incredibly honourable. Barristan, to me, seemed like the kind of man who would think his decisions through, or even if he makes spontaneous decisions, he really asks himself afterwards if it was right or not. Instead, I got, "yeah, I was kinda insulted that Joffrey dismissed me, so I did something totally dumb and explain it in one and a half sentence and then move on." I expected something profound on what he knwe about the Lannister incest, when he found out, why he bent the knee to Robert after the war, why he then decided to join Daenerys and not Stannis even though he apparently knew Stannis was Robert's heir, what he thought about the events back in Westeros ... and I got nothing. :/ Tbh, Barristan felt very hypocritical to me in his chapters.
Darth Daenerys. It would redeem her awful storyline. The heroine turns bad, while the guy who has been set up as potential bad guy from his first scene onwards turns out to be the hero. My wishful thinking almost hurts my brain. ;) Though, Stannis set aside, I'd love for Daenerys and Jon to fight each other. They've been set up as hero and heroine so much that their eventual alliance is expected by so many people, and it would just be epic if they ended up as enemies.
I think R'hllor is too much show for me, nightfires and dramatic speeches and all that bullshit. I really like the Northern gods: they don't really expect you to do anything, there are no priests, and occasionally you go into a forest and talk to a tree when you want to be alone with yourself. It's the only kind of religion that doesn't make me go like "lol, what?"
I really didn't like Yigritte at all, she was one of those characters just mean for killing. She was so not going to live long. I think we are getting too many of those characters, mr. Martin, if you think you are still being inventive.
I'm fairly sure that there will be some twist on the whole AA/PTWP prophecy, but there probably still will BE some sort of AA.
The way it worked out in "Fevre Dream" was that prophesy didn't work out at all (I am just trying to be vague and non-spoilery)
There will be some sort of bloodbath, no matter if Jon is dead, dying, resurrected, whatever. :/
Oh, valonquar being "nay little brother" is a good point. It can be anyone, then . :D I have no trouble with Barristan being flawed. I was just somewhat disappointed that the most honourable, awesome knight in the realm was so ... well, disappointing. Tbh, Barristan felt very hypocritical to me in his chapters.
Oh, I agree with all that. I thought he was so Not True Knight (I like the True Knight debate). For me the main thing was that he was willing to try and saw his mistakes. And yes, he contradicted himself which just seemed so .. honest. One minute he will be having doubts, and another moment he will be still harping about chivalry. It just seemed so .. normal. I n short, it was Barristan's doubts I liked the most. Nothing is lost when a man is having doubts about his righteousness.
Where Ned was soooooo sure he didn't even talk to Renly. He could have talked to the Renly and tried to bring him to his reasoning, instead he just jumped on his high horse (but we discussed this before).
I WANT DARTH DANY SO MUCH my brain hurts too.
I think R'hllor is too much show for me, nightfires and dramatic speeches and all that bullshit. I really like the Northern gods: they don't really expect you to do anything, there are no priests, and occasionally you go into a forest and talk to a tree when you want to be alone with yourself. It's the only kind of religion that doesn't make me go like "lol, what?"
Oh, yep, The showmanship side of R'hllor is sooo.. silly. This is why the Old Gods would have been the first choice for me too. But I do have to admit that the Red Priests are onto something.
I really wondered about the wildlings, too. Did they just watch while the Night's Watch killed Jon? Makes no sense to me.
I'd be all for Aegon and Daenerys killing each other. ;) Nah, tbh, I don't want Daenerys to return to Westeros at all. But that's just wishful thinking, so honestly I think we will get some sort of Stannis-Daenerys-Aegon stand-off, maybe with Jon as well if GRRM does take him on the whole hero/AA/king in the North/secret Targaryen road. :/ DNW.
I hope Cersei will die because of Jaime, whether because he literally kills her or because he fails to save her I don't care. I think it's pretty obvious it won't be Tyrion. But there are so many other possibilities: it might just as well be Tommen, in some way, or Loras.
True, Barristan is humble, but maybe I was disappointed because he was so normal and flawed. Barristan was descibed as the paragon of knighthood by everyone, but to me he just seems like a rather weak guy with great fighting skills and little personality, who just attaches himself to someone he calls his king or queen and then switches off his own moral judgement. He's the perfect Kingsguard, but I don't think he's that great a knight.
Well, if Daenerys turns out to be the big bad (which I hope), she could work with Victarion, of course. That'd be epic.
Lol the Seven. ;) I love Stannis' story of how he lost his faith, it makes so much sense to me. I hate all those stories of "I started to believe in God BECAUSE something awful happened to me." Stannis' stance ("I stopped believing in the gods because any true, good gods would never have allowed that to happen") is so much closer to my own worldview. ;)
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I like Tyrion, though . I just do. :D
I just wish Martin does what he did in "Fevre Dream" and that Azor Ahai idea will not work out the same way everyone wants it to work out.
There is nothing about the wildlings during the attack on Jon, but they were there: " Men poured from the surrounding keeps and towers. Northmen, free folk.." I kept thinking: are you all mad, people? Go and protect Jon! Or you are going to have a bloodbath following his assassination.
Coincidentally, I just realised that it is entirely possible that Stannis can be having conversations with Roose Bolton by now. :D
How do you see Loars in valonquar role? He is not related to Cersei?
Oh, I love it that Barristan is flawed. I also loved that at the end he begins to use his own judgement a little which is must have been .. hard? He is 63, and he has never done it before? I love how firm he is in protecting the little child hostages, for example. Compare this with Ned, for example, who must have had more opportunities to exercise his own judgement and still was so .. stiff?
I am going to hope that Daenerys is a BIG BAD. I WANT IT!
I am pragmatic - things work, I believe in them, things don't , I won't. :D I would have definitely checked that R'hllor.
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I used to love Tyrion, but as I said before, I think he should have died. But I'm repeating myself there. :)
I'm fairly sure that there will be some twist on the whole AA/PTWP prophecy, but there probably still will BE some sort of AA. :/ 'course it would be cool if the PTWP turns bad. Star Wars style. "No, Daenerys, you were the chosen one!" Darth Vader!Daenerys would be hilarious.
There will be some sort of bloodbath, no matter if Jon is dead, dying, resurrected, whatever. :/
Stannis and Roose ... I want Stannis to get out of this as the winner, obviously, but I just don't want Roose to die. ;) I really want Roose to be the one to kill Ramsay, or sell him out to Stannis.
Oh, I just read theories about the fact that the "valonquar" could be any little brother, not necessarily CERSEI's little brother. *shrug* I'm not sure I buy that, I'm still for Jaime killing her, it seems most likely, especially with her conviction that she and Jaime will "leave this world together". BUT if it's not Jaime (and most definitely not Tyrion), it could be any little brother, right? And Loras is the youngest brother of his family. But, again, I'm not sure I buy those theories.
Ned exercised his own judgement, for example when he refused to ally himself with Renly (even though that was probably the RIGHT thing to do, joining forces with Robert's brothers). His judgement was just absolutely horrible.
I have no trouble with Barristan being flawed. I was just somewhat disappointed that the most honourable, awesome knight in the realm was so ... well, disappointing. I had my doubts about Barristan before (his behaviour was extremely questionable on numerous occasions), and somehow I had hoped that his POV chapters would clear things up, maybe restore the iffy feeling I got about him. I expected to get clear explanations for his past behaviour, the kind of moral justification for his actions that I would expect from a man who is always described as so incredibly honourable. Barristan, to me, seemed like the kind of man who would think his decisions through, or even if he makes spontaneous decisions, he really asks himself afterwards if it was right or not. Instead, I got, "yeah, I was kinda insulted that Joffrey dismissed me, so I did something totally dumb and explain it in one and a half sentence and then move on." I expected something profound on what he knwe about the Lannister incest, when he found out, why he bent the knee to Robert after the war, why he then decided to join Daenerys and not Stannis even though he apparently knew Stannis was Robert's heir, what he thought about the events back in Westeros ... and I got nothing. :/ Tbh, Barristan felt very hypocritical to me in his chapters.
Darth Daenerys. It would redeem her awful storyline. The heroine turns bad, while the guy who has been set up as potential bad guy from his first scene onwards turns out to be the hero. My wishful thinking almost hurts my brain. ;) Though, Stannis set aside, I'd love for Daenerys and Jon to fight each other. They've been set up as hero and heroine so much that their eventual alliance is expected by so many people, and it would just be epic if they ended up as enemies.
I think R'hllor is too much show for me, nightfires and dramatic speeches and all that bullshit. I really like the Northern gods: they don't really expect you to do anything, there are no priests, and occasionally you go into a forest and talk to a tree when you want to be alone with yourself. It's the only kind of religion that doesn't make me go like "lol, what?"
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I'm fairly sure that there will be some twist on the whole AA/PTWP prophecy, but there probably still will BE some sort of AA.
The way it worked out in "Fevre Dream" was that prophesy didn't work out at all (I am just trying to be vague and non-spoilery)
There will be some sort of bloodbath, no matter if Jon is dead, dying, resurrected, whatever. :/
Oh, valonquar being "nay little brother" is a good point. It can be anyone, then . :D
I have no trouble with Barristan being flawed. I was just somewhat disappointed that the most honourable, awesome knight in the realm was so ... well, disappointing. Tbh, Barristan felt very hypocritical to me in his chapters.
Oh, I agree with all that. I thought he was so Not True Knight (I like the True Knight debate). For me the main thing was that he was willing to try and saw his mistakes. And yes, he contradicted himself which just seemed so .. honest. One minute he will be having doubts, and another moment he will be still harping about chivalry. It just seemed so .. normal.
I n short, it was Barristan's doubts I liked the most. Nothing is lost when a man is having doubts about his righteousness.
Where Ned was soooooo sure he didn't even talk to Renly. He could have talked to the Renly and tried to bring him to his reasoning, instead he just jumped on his high horse (but we discussed this before).
I WANT DARTH DANY SO MUCH my brain hurts too.
I think R'hllor is too much show for me, nightfires and dramatic speeches and all that bullshit. I really like the Northern gods: they don't really expect you to do anything, there are no priests, and occasionally you go into a forest and talk to a tree when you want to be alone with yourself. It's the only kind of religion that doesn't make me go like "lol, what?"
Oh, yep, The showmanship side of R'hllor is sooo.. silly. This is why the Old Gods would have been the first choice for me too. But I do have to admit that the Red Priests are onto something.
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