Repeating this here because Twitter is a PITA
A Tumblr interaction:
themixtrovert:
“i can’t do that because of my religious beliefs”
okay
“you can’t do that because of my religious beliefs”
not okay
therepublicofrapunzel:
Morality is not subjective. If the Bible says x is wrong, x is wrong whether you are a Christian or not. You’re not exempt from the truth because you don’t believe it.
pishposh-habberdash:
Except if you’re not a Christian you don’t believe that the bible is truth so….
therepublicofrapunzel:
Yeah and if you’re colorblind you don’t think the sky is blue.
The sky is blue whether you believe it or not. The Bible is true whether you believe it or not.
cheshireinthemiddle:
The sky is actually black. You specifically perceive it as blue and a colorblind person may perceive it as orange or grey. A mantis shrimp sees it as colors that you cant even comprehend.
Your views =//= absolute truth
burningonyx: (Me)
@therepublicofrapunzel Well my Bible says Y is wrong and X is right, and since my Bible is the One True Bible, if it says Y is wrong, then Y is wrong whether you are a Satanist or not. You’re not exempt from the truth because you don’t believe it. So now imagine a world where Satanists (as you likely think we are, not as we actually are) force our beliefs on everyone, the way you want to do to everyone.
Oh, are you horrified and terrified right now? Good. That’s how I feel when you pull shit like this. Because that thing where you try to make everyone subject to your shitty religion’s beliefs? Do you know what they call that when Muslims do it? It’s called Sharia Law. Congrats, therepublicofrapunzel, you are a proponent of the Christian version of Sharia Law.
“The sky is blue whether you believe it or not. The Bible is true whether you believe it or not.”
The sky “is” blue because that’s how most humans in our current culture see it. Funny thing, though, the ancient Greeks - who physically saw the same range of colors we do - didn’t have a word for blue. What we now call blue was lumped in with some reds and purples as “wine colored.” There are cultures alive today who don’t see blue the way we do, who see it as a shade of red, or as a shade of gray or black, even though they’re physically seeing the exact same color you are. We can even see this sort of thing in our own culture; how many straight women can clearly distinguish colors like “mother of pearl,” “creme,” and “eggshell” as distinct from “white”? Quite a few. But guess what? Men can be taught to do the same. Color is cultural. It is subjective.
And hey, maybe our sky “is” neon octarine to the people of Betelguese 5, and we humans only *think* the sky is blue.
This is why philosophers like Robert Anton Wilson need to be taught in school. Nothing is absolute, nothing is objective, everything is relative and subjective. If objective reality exists, we have no way of perceiving it because everything we perceive will always and forever be subjective, due to the limitations of our senses. Nothing short of becoming God ourselves will change that.
What you see when you look at an apple is not the apple itself; you are seeing your brain’s interpretation of the light bouncing off an apple (or other sensory data like touch). That shiny red apple “is” nothing more than a hallucination your brain generated based on a tiny percentage of a wee sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum. Apples would look very different if you could see infrared, or ultraviolet, or X-rays. Apples would look very different if you could see in more than just three dimensions; even a 4-dimensional shape is nearly impossible for the human mind to comprehend without being able to see it, and the only human people who *might* have seen a 4D apple are people on psychedelic drugs. But I guarantee when they come back to our reality, that sight will be like a half-forgotten dream to them at best.
THE MAP IS NOT THE TERRITORY! REALITY IS (MOSTLY) A HALLUCINATION, A SHARED DELUSION!
https://www.tumblr.com/dashboard/blog/burningonyx/185194811990
This was cross-posted from https://alex-antonin.dreamwidth.org/314475.html
You can comment either here or there.
themixtrovert:
“i can’t do that because of my religious beliefs”
okay
“you can’t do that because of my religious beliefs”
not okay
therepublicofrapunzel:
Morality is not subjective. If the Bible says x is wrong, x is wrong whether you are a Christian or not. You’re not exempt from the truth because you don’t believe it.
pishposh-habberdash:
Except if you’re not a Christian you don’t believe that the bible is truth so….
therepublicofrapunzel:
Yeah and if you’re colorblind you don’t think the sky is blue.
The sky is blue whether you believe it or not. The Bible is true whether you believe it or not.
cheshireinthemiddle:
The sky is actually black. You specifically perceive it as blue and a colorblind person may perceive it as orange or grey. A mantis shrimp sees it as colors that you cant even comprehend.
Your views =//= absolute truth
burningonyx: (Me)
@therepublicofrapunzel Well my Bible says Y is wrong and X is right, and since my Bible is the One True Bible, if it says Y is wrong, then Y is wrong whether you are a Satanist or not. You’re not exempt from the truth because you don’t believe it. So now imagine a world where Satanists (as you likely think we are, not as we actually are) force our beliefs on everyone, the way you want to do to everyone.
Oh, are you horrified and terrified right now? Good. That’s how I feel when you pull shit like this. Because that thing where you try to make everyone subject to your shitty religion’s beliefs? Do you know what they call that when Muslims do it? It’s called Sharia Law. Congrats, therepublicofrapunzel, you are a proponent of the Christian version of Sharia Law.
“The sky is blue whether you believe it or not. The Bible is true whether you believe it or not.”
The sky “is” blue because that’s how most humans in our current culture see it. Funny thing, though, the ancient Greeks - who physically saw the same range of colors we do - didn’t have a word for blue. What we now call blue was lumped in with some reds and purples as “wine colored.” There are cultures alive today who don’t see blue the way we do, who see it as a shade of red, or as a shade of gray or black, even though they’re physically seeing the exact same color you are. We can even see this sort of thing in our own culture; how many straight women can clearly distinguish colors like “mother of pearl,” “creme,” and “eggshell” as distinct from “white”? Quite a few. But guess what? Men can be taught to do the same. Color is cultural. It is subjective.
And hey, maybe our sky “is” neon octarine to the people of Betelguese 5, and we humans only *think* the sky is blue.
This is why philosophers like Robert Anton Wilson need to be taught in school. Nothing is absolute, nothing is objective, everything is relative and subjective. If objective reality exists, we have no way of perceiving it because everything we perceive will always and forever be subjective, due to the limitations of our senses. Nothing short of becoming God ourselves will change that.
What you see when you look at an apple is not the apple itself; you are seeing your brain’s interpretation of the light bouncing off an apple (or other sensory data like touch). That shiny red apple “is” nothing more than a hallucination your brain generated based on a tiny percentage of a wee sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum. Apples would look very different if you could see infrared, or ultraviolet, or X-rays. Apples would look very different if you could see in more than just three dimensions; even a 4-dimensional shape is nearly impossible for the human mind to comprehend without being able to see it, and the only human people who *might* have seen a 4D apple are people on psychedelic drugs. But I guarantee when they come back to our reality, that sight will be like a half-forgotten dream to them at best.
THE MAP IS NOT THE TERRITORY! REALITY IS (MOSTLY) A HALLUCINATION, A SHARED DELUSION!
https://www.tumblr.com/dashboard/blog/burningonyx/185194811990
This was cross-posted from https://alex-antonin.dreamwidth.org/314475.html
You can comment either here or there.