Pro-capitalists are morons
So this idiot was like "If you support Bernie Sanders you might as well be a self proclaimed communist cause he's a communist dressed in "democratic socialists"
My response:
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Them:
I mean if you want a president like Fidel then sure
Me:
Socialism and communism are two entirely different things. The US is already partly socialist. Public roads are socialist, as are public parks, public utilities, and the safety nets like food stamps, welfare, and WIC.
And anyway, judging an economic system by the fact that it's not been successfully implemented yet without problems is stupid. I'll bet the first attempts at capitalism had peasants and lords both going "Oh this new capitalism, it'll never take off, feudalism is the way to go!"
Communism is, in fact, the natural state of human beings, along with tribalism. The only thing is, you can't exactly force it to fit modern man's city-dwelling state, it's going to take a lot of time and a lot of effort, but I think it's worth it. Capitalism is dying, running out of resources to exploit, so we need something to replace it. And with 3D printers, we're soon going to have a post-scarcity society, which will mean communism, because capitalism depends on scarcity to function.
He then had the gall to suggest I didn't know how socialism and communism interrelate. My response:
I see how communism and socialism are interrelated. I just don't see how anyone can think that either is a bad thing. Sure, attempts made at communism so far haven't worked out very well, but then capitalism's early years began with the mass murder of millions, the forced enslavement of millions more, the destruction of cultures and languages, the implementation of systematic racism, and countless other atrocities that continue to this day. So far, all the problems and atrocities of the few attempts at state-enforced communism (I am an anarcho-communist, myself) look like nothing compared to capitalism's reign of terror.
And you know, if we can figure out how to get communism to work without exploitation and atrocities, I for one will be glad to see the end of capitalism, with its ongoing enslavement of children in foreign countries, its plundering of natural resources, its pollution and carelessness for the environment, and everything else wrong with capitalism. And I think anyone who isn't a communist is a soul-less bastard who cares only about greed.
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My response:
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Them:
I mean if you want a president like Fidel then sure
Me:
Socialism and communism are two entirely different things. The US is already partly socialist. Public roads are socialist, as are public parks, public utilities, and the safety nets like food stamps, welfare, and WIC.
And anyway, judging an economic system by the fact that it's not been successfully implemented yet without problems is stupid. I'll bet the first attempts at capitalism had peasants and lords both going "Oh this new capitalism, it'll never take off, feudalism is the way to go!"
Communism is, in fact, the natural state of human beings, along with tribalism. The only thing is, you can't exactly force it to fit modern man's city-dwelling state, it's going to take a lot of time and a lot of effort, but I think it's worth it. Capitalism is dying, running out of resources to exploit, so we need something to replace it. And with 3D printers, we're soon going to have a post-scarcity society, which will mean communism, because capitalism depends on scarcity to function.
He then had the gall to suggest I didn't know how socialism and communism interrelate. My response:
I see how communism and socialism are interrelated. I just don't see how anyone can think that either is a bad thing. Sure, attempts made at communism so far haven't worked out very well, but then capitalism's early years began with the mass murder of millions, the forced enslavement of millions more, the destruction of cultures and languages, the implementation of systematic racism, and countless other atrocities that continue to this day. So far, all the problems and atrocities of the few attempts at state-enforced communism (I am an anarcho-communist, myself) look like nothing compared to capitalism's reign of terror.
And you know, if we can figure out how to get communism to work without exploitation and atrocities, I for one will be glad to see the end of capitalism, with its ongoing enslavement of children in foreign countries, its plundering of natural resources, its pollution and carelessness for the environment, and everything else wrong with capitalism. And I think anyone who isn't a communist is a soul-less bastard who cares only about greed.
This was cross-posted from http://alex-antonin.dreamwidth.org/250580.html
You can comment either here or there.