Scientology: The Next Waco...But Let's Talk Psychiatry, The "Pseudo-Science"
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/
Cruise: I've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. And when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in psychology.
And as far as the Brooke Shields thing, look, you got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I think, here's a wonderful and talented woman. And I want to see her do well. And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.
Lauer: But Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressants or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough?
Cruise: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people, okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?
Lauer: The difference is -
Cruise: No, no, Matt.
Lauer: This wasn't against her will, though.
Cruise: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt -
Lauer: But this wasn't against her will.
Cruise: Matt, I'm asking you a question.
Lauer: I understand there's abuse of all of these things.
Cruise: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.
Lauer: Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?
Cruise: All it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.
Lauer: So, postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook -
Cruise: No. I did not say that.
Lauer: I'm just asking what you, what would you call it?
Cruise: No. No. Abso- Matt, now you're talking about two different things.
Lauer: But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.
Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.
Lauer: But a little bit of what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.
Cruise: No, no, I'm not.
Lauer: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?
Cruise: I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that, promoting - for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?
Lauer: No. You absolutely can.
Cruise: I know. But Matt, you're going in and saying that, that I can't discuss this.
Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that - do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock -
Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.
Lauer: I'm just saying. But aren't there examples where it works?
Cruise: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even - you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?
Lauer: It's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And you know the subject.
Cruise: And you should. And you should do that also. Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough. You should be a little bit more responsible in knowing really -
Lauer: I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom. And I'm not asking anyone else to do it. I'm simply saying, I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.
Cruise: But you're saying this is a very important issue.
Lauer: I couldn't agree more.
Cruise: It's very - and you know what? You're here on the "Today" show.
Lauer: Right.
Cruise: And to talk about it in a way of saying, "Well, isn't it okay," and being reasonable about it when you don't know and I do, I think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is.
Lauer: But -
Cruise: Because you communicate to people.
Lauer: But you're now telling me that your experiences with the people I know, which are zero, are more important than my experiences.
Cruise: What do you mean by that?
Lauer: You're telling me what's worked for people I know or hasn't worked for people I know. I'm telling you, I’ve lived with these people and they're better.
Cruise: So, you're advocating it.
Lauer: I am not. I'm telling you in their case, in their individual case, it worked. I am not gonna go out and say, "Get your kids on Ritalin. It's the cure-all and the end-all."
Cruise: Matt, but here's the point. What is the ideal scene for life? Okay. The ideal scene is someone not having to take antipsychotic drugs.
Lauer: I would agree.
Cruise: Okay. So, now you look at a departure from that ideal scene, is someone taking drugs, okay. And then you go, okay. What is the theory and the science behind that, that justifies that?
Lauer: Let me take this more general, because I think you and I can go around in circles on this for awhile. And I respect your opinion. Do you want more people to understand Scientology? Would that be a goal of yours?
Cruise: You know what? Absolutely. Of course, you know.
Lauer: How do you go about that?
Cruise: You just communicate about it. And the important thing is, like you and I talk about it, whether it's okay, if I want to know something, I go and find out. Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about that. I'll go find more information about it so I can come to an opinion based on the information that I have.
First of all, whoever wrote that for NBC, let's write "Adderall" instead of "Aderol".
"Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?"
Just about any drug can become a street drug, and so can some "vitamins" you suggest taking. Do you understand that? (But that's not why I'm writing about this in my journal.)
"You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt."
I didn't give you the permission to call me Matt, Tom. But how can I know for sure what I know or don't know, what I'm thinking or not thinking? Maybe I wanted to give you the permission, maybe not? Please, Tom, help me: you seem to know what I know and what I don't know! Please Tom, tell me what to think, because you think it, it must mean it's true!
Antidepressants, Ritalin, Adderall...antipsychotic drugs? Oh yes, you definitely know psychiatry better than me, Tom. Allow me to lmao while rotf.
"Cruise: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even - you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?
Lauer: It's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And you know the subject."
Lauer's answer just cracks me up! :-D
"if I want to know something, I go and find out. Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about that. I'll go find more information about it so I can come to an opinion based on the information that I have."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I'LL DIE OF LAUGHTER!
All I've got to say, Tom, is let's play the "Who knows the history of psychiatry" game together. The one who wins wins all of the other's money. :-D
1st question, "What is Ritalin?"
Your answer: "I know what Ritalin is, ok, you clearly don't know what Ritalin is. Ritalin is an antipsychotic drug, and it's a street drug now, did you know that, of course you didn't, you're glib, do your research, you know absolutely nothing, take vitamins, do exercise, this will cure your schizophrenia, there's no chemical imbalance, schizophrenia isn't real, it's all invented, you don't know that because you don't know the history of psychiatry, I do, I read an article about it, and took the e-meter, ever taken an e-meter Matt, no, so you don't know what you're talking about, you still have your engrams, I don't, the e-meter removed them, and I never talk about things I don't know about, unlike you, for schizophrenia, which doesn't really exist, it's an invention of psychiatrists, take vitamins, don't take antidepressants for your schizophrenia, it only masks the problem, and don't take antipsychotics for your post-partum depression, they only mask the problem, Brooke Shields isn't feeling better now, she's lying, it doesn't work, it masks the problem, stop advocating it, stop telling people to take antipsychotics for their depression, you're glib, I know everything about it because I read an article about it, written by Scientology leaders, Matt, and Ron Hubbard didn't take mental drugs at the end of his life, Matt, all lies, and he really is an extensively decorated World War II hero...and that's Ritalin, but you don't know what it is, and I do."
(See, I too can put words in your mouth - what else could we expect from an actor but to have nothing to say other than what's being put in his mouth? -...Allow me to become your new guru. Give me a million dollars, now! And I'll mortgage your home, and will put you bankrupt, and I don't care: money, more money! And I'll brainwash you, and you'll go on tv to brainwash your fans! MONEY MONEY MONEY!)
Cruise: I've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. And when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in psychology.
And as far as the Brooke Shields thing, look, you got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I think, here's a wonderful and talented woman. And I want to see her do well. And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.
Lauer: But Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressants or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough?
Cruise: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people, okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?
Lauer: The difference is -
Cruise: No, no, Matt.
Lauer: This wasn't against her will, though.
Cruise: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt -
Lauer: But this wasn't against her will.
Cruise: Matt, I'm asking you a question.
Lauer: I understand there's abuse of all of these things.
Cruise: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.
Lauer: Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?
Cruise: All it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.
Lauer: So, postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook -
Cruise: No. I did not say that.
Lauer: I'm just asking what you, what would you call it?
Cruise: No. No. Abso- Matt, now you're talking about two different things.
Lauer: But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.
Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.
Lauer: But a little bit of what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.
Cruise: No, no, I'm not.
Lauer: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?
Cruise: I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that, promoting - for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?
Lauer: No. You absolutely can.
Cruise: I know. But Matt, you're going in and saying that, that I can't discuss this.
Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that - do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock -
Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.
Lauer: I'm just saying. But aren't there examples where it works?
Cruise: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even - you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?
Lauer: It's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And you know the subject.
Cruise: And you should. And you should do that also. Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough. You should be a little bit more responsible in knowing really -
Lauer: I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom. And I'm not asking anyone else to do it. I'm simply saying, I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.
Cruise: But you're saying this is a very important issue.
Lauer: I couldn't agree more.
Cruise: It's very - and you know what? You're here on the "Today" show.
Lauer: Right.
Cruise: And to talk about it in a way of saying, "Well, isn't it okay," and being reasonable about it when you don't know and I do, I think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is.
Lauer: But -
Cruise: Because you communicate to people.
Lauer: But you're now telling me that your experiences with the people I know, which are zero, are more important than my experiences.
Cruise: What do you mean by that?
Lauer: You're telling me what's worked for people I know or hasn't worked for people I know. I'm telling you, I’ve lived with these people and they're better.
Cruise: So, you're advocating it.
Lauer: I am not. I'm telling you in their case, in their individual case, it worked. I am not gonna go out and say, "Get your kids on Ritalin. It's the cure-all and the end-all."
Cruise: Matt, but here's the point. What is the ideal scene for life? Okay. The ideal scene is someone not having to take antipsychotic drugs.
Lauer: I would agree.
Cruise: Okay. So, now you look at a departure from that ideal scene, is someone taking drugs, okay. And then you go, okay. What is the theory and the science behind that, that justifies that?
Lauer: Let me take this more general, because I think you and I can go around in circles on this for awhile. And I respect your opinion. Do you want more people to understand Scientology? Would that be a goal of yours?
Cruise: You know what? Absolutely. Of course, you know.
Lauer: How do you go about that?
Cruise: You just communicate about it. And the important thing is, like you and I talk about it, whether it's okay, if I want to know something, I go and find out. Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about that. I'll go find more information about it so I can come to an opinion based on the information that I have.
First of all, whoever wrote that for NBC, let's write "Adderall" instead of "Aderol".
"Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?"
Just about any drug can become a street drug, and so can some "vitamins" you suggest taking. Do you understand that? (But that's not why I'm writing about this in my journal.)
"You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt."
I didn't give you the permission to call me Matt, Tom. But how can I know for sure what I know or don't know, what I'm thinking or not thinking? Maybe I wanted to give you the permission, maybe not? Please, Tom, help me: you seem to know what I know and what I don't know! Please Tom, tell me what to think, because you think it, it must mean it's true!
Antidepressants, Ritalin, Adderall...antipsychotic drugs? Oh yes, you definitely know psychiatry better than me, Tom. Allow me to lmao while rotf.
"Cruise: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even - you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?
Lauer: It's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And you know the subject."
Lauer's answer just cracks me up! :-D
"if I want to know something, I go and find out. Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about that. I'll go find more information about it so I can come to an opinion based on the information that I have."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I'LL DIE OF LAUGHTER!
All I've got to say, Tom, is let's play the "Who knows the history of psychiatry" game together. The one who wins wins all of the other's money. :-D
1st question, "What is Ritalin?"
Your answer: "I know what Ritalin is, ok, you clearly don't know what Ritalin is. Ritalin is an antipsychotic drug, and it's a street drug now, did you know that, of course you didn't, you're glib, do your research, you know absolutely nothing, take vitamins, do exercise, this will cure your schizophrenia, there's no chemical imbalance, schizophrenia isn't real, it's all invented, you don't know that because you don't know the history of psychiatry, I do, I read an article about it, and took the e-meter, ever taken an e-meter Matt, no, so you don't know what you're talking about, you still have your engrams, I don't, the e-meter removed them, and I never talk about things I don't know about, unlike you, for schizophrenia, which doesn't really exist, it's an invention of psychiatrists, take vitamins, don't take antidepressants for your schizophrenia, it only masks the problem, and don't take antipsychotics for your post-partum depression, they only mask the problem, Brooke Shields isn't feeling better now, she's lying, it doesn't work, it masks the problem, stop advocating it, stop telling people to take antipsychotics for their depression, you're glib, I know everything about it because I read an article about it, written by Scientology leaders, Matt, and Ron Hubbard didn't take mental drugs at the end of his life, Matt, all lies, and he really is an extensively decorated World War II hero...and that's Ritalin, but you don't know what it is, and I do."
(See, I too can put words in your mouth - what else could we expect from an actor but to have nothing to say other than what's being put in his mouth? -...Allow me to become your new guru. Give me a million dollars, now! And I'll mortgage your home, and will put you bankrupt, and I don't care: money, more money! And I'll brainwash you, and you'll go on tv to brainwash your fans! MONEY MONEY MONEY!)