Something I've been wanting to ask for a while

[akashasheiress]

Am I the only one not seeing the True Love between Eleven and River? I mean, I know I'm not literally the ONLY one, but other than one or two flisters, everyone seems to think that this is a case of True Love Between True Equals. Here's why I disagree and why I find that interpretation, frankly, puzzling (then again, somebody did just literally

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[intrikate88]

Well, that I've (unfortunately, hatefully) come to expect from Eleven. He has, for some reason that makes no sense, regressed to Nine's "stupid apes" worst moments. He's regularly insulting and belittling to Amy as well, and if his companions are so worthless, why does he bother with them? Get a goddamn radio, Eleven, if you can't stand the quiet. Bah.

I saw those minisodes, and my thought was that because their lives are out of order, there doesn't have to be any relationship consistency written for them. Which is lazy as hell. I do, though, also interpret it as guilt- I think he has carried some guilt about knowing how she dies ever since he met her, and perhaps that wrongness is what causes him to act out/try to make her feel about him the way he feels about himself. I'm guessing between the waterfalls and the Library she did get to live her life and do things, because apparently becoming a professor by that point was a shock to her earlier self. Maybe that was the point he realized it was time to do the right thing, and stop jerking her around.

It's just all a disappointment, all around. It's really difficult to get emotionally invested in a character when it's all the show going HAVE EMOTIONAL INVESTMENT and... nothing being invested. I could very easily get emotional about the tragic nature of her life. But I've never seen her life. I've only seen the Doctor's.

[akashasheiress]

Yeah, I just hope that he won't fall in True Love with her, because that relationship just can't be turned into an healthy one. If it has a warped foundation it will remain warped. Maybe he did take her to the waterfalls and then left her to live her life, true. I hope it wasn't a ''I love you, please kiss me'' moment D: I actually find the whole thing even more squicky now that we know she's Amy's daughter (and hey, never mind giving her PARENTS a chance to say goodbye to her, eh?)

I agree that there doesn't have to be consistency, but I thought it was pretty clear that those minisodes were supposed to be post-WoRS? So that's why I found the whole flirting-as-though-nothing-happened thing... weird. Also, as somebody who really dislikes the ship, I like how he does his best to avoid giving her mouth-to-mouth ;)