pro-choice rant. borrowed from elsewhere with permission.

Feb 16, 2005 11:29

I didn't write the following, although I agree with it completely. It is an intelligent and eloquent statement.
Furthermore, it is an issue I feel strongly about, so I will not place this behind a cut. You may scroll by without reading, but you cannot ignore it completely. No apologies, no compromises.Everyone is so concerned about this ( Read more... )

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akaiyume February 22 2005, 06:13:58 UTC
Shut tyhe fuck up

No. This is a public forum, and I have a right to say what I will. Unlike other people I do not abuse that right by going into other people's personal journals and spew foul and abusive names at them.

Nor do I run and insult people at the behest of my friends. Outside of my own space or public communites I even stop talking to people when asked.

Perhaps you should try acting like an adult sometime.

Go watch the silent scream sometime.

You would learn more if you studied actual science instead of watching brain-rotting propaganda.

And neither science nor the law consider abortion murder.

Personally, I think anyone that has an abortion, pressures someone to have an abortion, or performs an abortion aught to have the exact same thing happen to them. They should have to feel first hand what it is like to be pulled apart by a vacume.

Now that would legally be considered murder. That would scientifically be considered murder too. Wanting to see humans die is a sign of sociopathy, you know. Perhaps you should seek counseling.

So you think people should be forced to donate their bodily tissue against their will. Hmm, another sign of sociopathy. You really do need to get that looked into. Personally, I think biological slavery and murder of actual human beings are barbaric.

If you wish to comment in my journal further I suggest that you learn to be more civil.

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broken__shadows February 22 2005, 06:28:11 UTC
The silent scream movie is a scientific fact proven through not jsut the initial documentary but by over 300 abortions taped exactly the same way.
And i don't see your degrees behind you. I however have mine.
1st admendment allows me to choose not to be civil. You won't respect anyone's funamental right to life yet you expect anyone to not exercise their freedom of speech which is a bit less important just so you can deny the fact you are a murderer or at least a supporter of murder. And Murder is the intentional killing of a life, it doesn't matter if it is leally defined as murder or not.
But your point about pulling people apart with a vacume tube and donating their tissue goes to my point, you obviously don't like the idea of that happening to you, so what makes you any more special than any of the millions of people killed by abortions every year? And what makes them not "actual human beings?" jsut becuase you say they aren't doesn't change scientific fact that they are biologically human beings from the moment the sperm joins with the egg. DNA doesn't lie. Cell division and biological processes don't lie. If an unborn fetus is not a human being then neither are you or I.But if we aren't humans than murdering each other with vacume tubes is ok since the law only protects humans and if as you say unborn children aren't human than none of us are.

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akaiyume February 22 2005, 07:01:59 UTC
Newcomb College of Tulane University, class of 1992. BA with a major in anthropology, minors in English literature and biology. GPA 3.71. Classes included gentics, developmental genetics, and developmental biology.

Furthermore, the general consensus of among scientist and physicians is that abortion is not murder.

If you have pursued science degrees and wish to do research which could be published, peer reviewed, and accepted as valid in order to counteract the current opinons of science that is your right.

If you want to go by DNA be careful not to scratch or cut yourself. Don't get anything pierced. You will be MURDERING all those cells with a full compliment of human DNA. ::roll:: If you have your degrees you should know better than to pull the DNA arguement.

So, how do you feel about the fact that most fertilized cells fail to implant? What do you think about women who have trouble becoming pregnant because of problems with their endometrial lining who purposely keep getting their ova fertilezed knowing that the chances of actual pregancy are really damned slim? What punishments would you heap upon them.

The brain of a fetus is nowhere near sentient. It is nothing more than a potential human. Adults on the other hand have a fully developed brain and nervous system. There is a huge difference between committing an atrocity on an adult and aborting a fetus.

First amendment rights do not cover abuse or harrassment.

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broken__shadows February 22 2005, 07:24:51 UTC
General consesus abortion is not murder? Thats either a bad attempt at a joke, or a showing of how misinformed you are. Almost all the major scientific professional groups are at about a 60/40 split with the 60% in favor that abortion is murder. At least acording to the arguments and publications of most of the worlds major scientifc comunities (not counting religious or ideology centered organizations).
Anthropolgy is not a science degree. Its an arts degree and in most university tied into either the sociology or psychology departments.

Almost 99% percent of all the scientific literature can't define sentience let alone figure out what it is and when it developes. The nervous system and brain are the first things that develope in the fetus. They have to be because they direct everything else. There is still no differance.
Your DNA argumetn is so pitiful that it doesn't warrant a response, but I'm giving you one anyways. Waht I said was that DNA states that children are the same as adults whether they are born or unborn. They are made up of the same genetic code, and it is only one piece of the evidence that shows that childrn are the same. Blod contains DNA, that is true, but blood is only a part of the whole person. However a fetus is the whole, even if still undeveloped.
So, how do you feel about the fact that most fertilized cells fail to implant? What do you think about women who have trouble becoming pregnant because of problems with their endometrial lining who purposely keep getting their ova fertilezed knowing that the chances of actual pregancy are really damned slim? What punishments would you heap upon them.
1) Not the same thing. They are not even close. Actually they are the exact opposite. In this case a woman is TRYING to create life and not destroy it.
2) I am getting off so that my friend can log on explain my position on these things.

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akaiyume February 22 2005, 07:37:14 UTC
So it is okay to let countless fertilized ova die because someone is trying to create life? Uhhm.... I don't get it. There is no logical consistancy there.

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broken__shadows February 22 2005, 08:04:37 UTC
One most fertilizations are still done within the womb. secondly, not every fertilized egg survives even in a natural cycle with no interference. Thirdly, they usually only fertilize and implant 5-10 at a time. And it is not any human's fault if those don't take. It is however, a humans fault when the child is aborted. Very differant logically and factually.

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akaiyume February 22 2005, 08:32:50 UTC
If you believe a fertilized egg is a human, then creating one that you know has a very slim chance of surviving is creating something just to die. That is the humans fault too.

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