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Feb 16, 2006 13:13

Now that I am beginning to feel a bit better (thank Tylenol) I've started to feel the spirit of open debate. I have been taking a Sociology class and extremely enjoy the fact we debate important topics. It's great! *grins* So I thought I might give it a shot here. Simple rules, feel free to say what you like about any topic I post, but please keep ( Read more... )

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Re: My 10 cents.... james28630 February 26 2006, 14:28:26 UTC
Ultimately it comes down to one's view of sin and forgiveness. Having been raised Lutheran the general view there is one is forgiven for any and all sins so long as one is truely repenetive and seeks forgiveness from god.

Each denomination is different, some require a formal confession, other simply acknowledging that the deed was wrong and repenting (as i.e. turning from those sins)

For the sake of debate I'm presuming the question would be posed towards one who is Christian, afterall, if one is not and does not believe in the Holy Trinity, why would they be concerned with the Christian afterlife?

However to your opening line:
there is a misconception that alot of people have and I want to clear it up. Being good or less sinful does not cause you go to heaven anymore than being bad or full of sin sends you to hell.

I understand your point here, and I can see where some reading my arguement might poke at that, however, as I understand it, "sin" per this discussion remains on the soul until it is repented. Again, in the Lutheran view, the only sin that is not and cannot be forgiven is not believing in God (specifically the holy trinity)

So when I say one who is full of sin, I'm not refering to someone who may be a blashemer or a thief or what have you, I'm speaking of the unrepentant sinner, one who has not or will not "turn from those sins"

of course views within and outside of the Christian Church vary not only by denomination, but within each congregation.

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Re: My 10 cents.... james28630 February 26 2006, 14:28:57 UTC
crap, forgot to close my italics *L*

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Re: My 10 cents.... dragonflytears February 26 2006, 15:52:28 UTC
I wasn't trying to poke fun at you or your beliefs. And you are right, blaspheming the holy ghost is the only unforgiveable sin according to the Bible. However when you say,"one who has not turned from their sins" it strikes another point of view some christians have. In order to go to heaven according to the Bible is to repent for your sins and believe in Christ. However to repent implies a complete turnaround. It is defined as follows in the dictionary:
re·pent 1 (r-pnt)
v. re·pent·ed, re·pent·ing, re·pents
v.intr.
1. To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite.
2. To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one's mind regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior.
3. To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.
v.tr.
1. To feel regret or self-reproach for: repent one's sins.
2. To cause to feel remorse or regret.

Ok now back to the issue. So according to the Bible Homosexuality is a sin. It can be forgiven, anything can except blaspheming the Holy Ghost right? However if to repent is to turn away from your sin wouldn't homosexuals have to either quit being homosexual or at least be sincerely working on it to fall under those standards? I mean if I was gay, and I truly loved someone of the same sex I can honestly say that I wouldn't be sincere in repentence b/c I wouldn't be sorry for feelings I couldn't control. So you see it is a fine line that varies from faith to faith and congregation to congregation. BTW I have my own views on this I am just presenting the christian view to this subject. So I guess the real question would have to be answered by each individual b/c only they would know if they could truly follow the Bible standards of repentence.

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Re: My 10 cents.... james28630 February 26 2006, 22:38:16 UTC
you are by no means poking fun at my belief, we are simply pointing to philosophy and views which as taken from a christian standpoint are so far in agreeance

1) the belief that the only sin that God / Jesus / The holy ghost cannot forgive is not believing.

2) the question ultimately falls to the individual and their view of sin and repentence.

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