[KKM] In Memoriam

Feb 11, 2007 15:48

...and once again, trying to detail the plot bunnies for my fics leads to me actually writing the fics. Er. Yay!

Title: In Memoriam
Fandom: Kyou Kara Maou
Characters: Sage and Shinou! :D
Series: Currently also called In Memoriam
Warnings: Angst and angst, but it all gets better in the end. Um, character death except it's Murata so it doesn't count ( Read more... )

fandom: kyou kara maou, character: murata, character: shinou, series: in memoriam, character: sage

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kazaera March 2 2007, 21:05:25 UTC
The sequels aren't particularly long - I'm afraid I write one-shots, not epics - but there are *many* of them. I have another one up here (along with two unrelated Shinou/Sage-ish things), then there's another one pretty much completed and two works-in-progress under f-lock at my standard LJ. And enough ideas for an army. :/ In short - yes, there will be huge amounts of sequels, because this series has eaten my braaiin.

There are as yet no fluffy bunnies, but there is one four-year-old Shinou + teddy bear angstfic, which is probably worse.

I just get giddy whenever I see a well-written ShinDai fic, there's not much.

...I think someday all we ShinDai fans need to get together and compare notes, just in case there's some fic buried deeply somewhere that someone missed. I think I've found most all of them myself. And read twenty times. Yes. ;_;

Anyway, I'm glad you liked it! I wasn't so sure about the running into myself, but it's somehow fitting that after all the manipulation and conniving, in the end they meet due to chance!

And wow, Murata cosplay! *wants*

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ex_victims March 3 2007, 04:36:41 UTC
Oh yay! I must go check out the other fics of yours! It's sad to say that I rarely participate in this fandom due to the lack of good fanfics out there. But once in a while, one can find something that's original and well written. :]

I eat brains too! :3 *Gnaws*~

T___T Toddler!Shinou + Teddy would be so adorable. Eeeeee! <3 I can imagine a toddle!Sage with a picture book too. ^^

We should. I agree... maybe a ficathon? :P We could build on the ending of the series a bit more (Ulrike's expression!) or on AU/historical stories.... *gears churns in head*

I love it when Murata's plans are foiled. Ha! <-- Sadist.

^^ A couple of friends and I are going to this year's AN as the KKM crew. We have a Yuuri, Wolfram, Greta, Murata and maaaaybe a Ulrike. Not sure though and I've been looking for a blond bitch Shinou of my own.

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ex_victims March 3 2007, 04:38:02 UTC
Okay, I should chop off my fingers today. Why can't I spell? Toddle = Toddler.

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kazaera March 4 2007, 00:15:15 UTC
Re: fandom: I find the Shinou/Sage part of it rather good, all things told (well, apart from the one Mary Sue fic.) Small, but reasonably good quality of fic! However, the Yuuri/Wolfram bits - i.e. most of the fandom - scare me. As do the authors. :/

It's actually toddler!Shinou having horrible nightmares about death and destruction and his big sister giving him her old teddy bear. Which has black fur and eyes (temporary Sage replacement, go!) ...yes, I don't know what's wrong with my brain either. Possibly the bite-sized pieces missing.

Toddler!Sage with a picturebook is also far too adorable. Although we all know he wanders over and steals real books from the bookshelves when the adults aren't looking!

And for an image of ultimate cuteness? Todder!Shinou fast asleep, sucking his thumb and hugging his teddy, and wearing Superman pyjamas. D'awwww~

Ficathon sounds cool, although I'm not sure there'll be enough interest! There's actually a Shinou/Sage comm but it seems completely abandoned :/ But you're right, there's just so much that could happen - four thousand years of history and all ("write the Sage interfering in a historical event, either here or in Shin Makoku...")

Aww, poor Murata! I like to see his plans work. I was actually rooting for Murata and Shinou to win at the end of the series. Go, go, go Murata! XD

*is blond! But not going, sorry* Wow! I actually haven't ever been to cons - I'm shy, don't have time and they all tend to happen very far away from me anyway. But that sounds really really cool; I hope you have fun!
...although frankly, any Shinou cosplayer would have to be very brave, because. He has those... shoulderpad-things of EVIL and DOOM and HORRENDOUS FASHION DISASTERS O_o

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ex_victims March 4 2007, 01:27:20 UTC
Re re: *Nodnod* I agree, most KKM fics turn me off because it's so fluffy and sweet and boring. Yes, the series is crackish at times, but Yuuri is not going to magically fall in love with Wolfram one day because he got horny. I'm sorry, it's just not happening. Wolfram's character and personality need to mature before I see "true wuv" developing between them.

That's actually such a cute idea~ I can picture toddler!Shinou all teary-eyed and lip trembling... then burying his face into the sage!teddy :3 Aw, so sweet!

>:] The Sage is far to cunning and smart to allow the adults to think he's anything but normal. Sneaky sneaky xDD

SUPERMAN PJs! Hahah, I can picture maybe a teenage Shinou sleeping in boxers and half falling off the bed.

Mwuahaha! I was honestly thinking that Shinou & Sage were planning this all along for world domination. That would've been soooo awesome. *___*

;____; Aw, cons are tons of fun! Lots of picture taking and eating and walking and not-sleeping... Heheh. Thanks! As for "The Shoulders That Look Like Blue Boobs" well, he has other outfits. All of them are gay looking, but look at his time period xDD Pumpkin pants FTW!

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ex_victims March 4 2007, 01:28:42 UTC
Hmm... too* *Bites fingers off*

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kazaera March 4 2007, 01:47:03 UTC
To be honest, I think that Yuuri loves Wolfram - as a friend. I think that, given time and a lot of maturing on both sides they could maybe get a relationship to work; I think it's just as likely that Yuuri continues thinking of Wolfram as a friend. I can see why people don't write this, because with Wolfram still in love with Yuuri it's just plain depressing, but I think it's as least as plausible as twu wuv developing.

That fic is actually *done* so I'll have to post it up here sometime soon ^^ It's very angsty, with Shinou having existential crises and being afraid of disappearing and turning back into a ghost-thing. I do not understand how I managed to make a fic about Shinou and his teddy into ANGST ANGST ANGST without breaking something.

Sneaky Sage, indeed! (He's had practise~) Although he hasn't managed *perfectly*, but he's better at it than Shinou. I blame Shinou's family issues for the fact that no one realised how much was wrong with him until he was seven or so. When they sent him to see Jose. Ooops.

The Superman PJs must happen. And... yes, I can also see teenage Shinou in boxers, completely sprawled out and taking up all the space in the bed. And the teddy still tucked into the crook of his arm.

In contrast, the Sage sleeps curled up in a tiny ball, sans toys. He won't even cuddle into the blanket ;_; Murata has issues. He needs lots and lots of Shinou-hugs.

I'm not sure what I thought their goal was, but I remember shrieking with glee when it turned out that they'd planned all of this from the very beginning and had basically been manipulating events from the start. Almost made up for the horrible anticlimatic-ness of the ending ;_;

Hmm... maybe if there's one near me sometime, I may go ^^ People seem to have fun at them. And yes, the outfit Shinou was wearing in the throne room wasn't quite as bad. But then again, "not quite as bad" doesn't say anything considering those horrible blue things. I mean. What was he thinking?

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ex_victims March 4 2007, 02:05:31 UTC
I'd have to agree, but again, the fandom doesn't want to see Wolfram being all depressed and "emo" over Yuuri. It's just that (in my humble opinion) Yuuri/Wolfram as a pairing is more "high school sweethearts" when compared to Shinou/Daikenja... :P Okay so I'm biased.

POST IT POST IT! <3 I'll love you long time~~ Well virtual lovin'. I like Angst if it's well written (which I know it will be with you ;)). One thing I really dislike in a lot of angsty fics is that it goes overbroad with the death and pain and blood and rape and blah blah blah. At the end I just want to kill the poor characters since that's more humane than what the author's putting them through for X chapters with no end in sight.

I actually can't see either of them having the picture perfect family and childhood. Since they're on Earth... for some reason I keep seeing Shinou's family as devout Catholics (ironic for him since in Shin Makoku he's pretty much a deity). Not sure about the Sage, probably just a very traditional Japanese family.

Awww~ xDD The idea that Shinou kept it for so long is so touching.

Shinou-hugs are good. I'm not surprised that Murata has issues, how can he not? O_o; I don't get it when people think he's just some eccentric kid with "identity issues". Um, right, because the smiles and goofiness are all REAL. *ahem*

The ending wasn't THAT bad but it could've been better. The series was at it's peak toward the end... I loved evil!Shinou. My favorite part was Yozak trying to tape the portraits of S&S back together! xDD I can imagine Shinou's reaction to his beautiful face being slashed in half.

Where do ya live? ^^ I'm sure there's one near you somewhere. Maybe he wasn't thinking? :P I mean, that job belongs to the Sage, no?

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kazaera March 4 2007, 02:31:20 UTC
Oh, I know what you mean; but then again, *every* pairing is high-school sweethearts compared to Shinou/Sage! The thing is that they've basically been together, relying on each other, trusting each other absolutely and having no one else to confide in for over four thousand years. Romantic or platonic, it's an established relationship; they know each other inside and out. Yuuri/Wolfram, on the other hand, is new and shiny and insecure; this means that even if Yuuri realises oh wow he likes Wolfram that way at all, it's still a lot of fumbling around and messy and it still has the potential to crash. To be honest, I do not see any possible way Shinou and Sage could break up at this point in time. They're co-dependent, really :S

Okay, I will. Last thing I do before I go to bed! :)
*blushes* Thank you! :) What I find is that with angst, less is more. Or maybe I should say - angst should come from within. When the author piles on the death, drama and destruction, that tells me she doesn't know how to get the effect she wants to achieve without use of those external devices - props, if you will. The thing is that they're not necessary, they get in the way and they tend to leave me rolling my eyes and clicking the back button. These days, if I write an angst fic I try to work with what's already there, conflict the character might already have, and see what I can come up with. ^^

Devout Catholic? Wow... I might go with the Catholic thing, but probably not devout. Because, you see, Shinou was the result of a short and unhappy affair between a nineteen-year-old girl and a forty-something man. Er. He's sort of spent his childhood bouncing between parents and mostly raised by his half-sister; his mother is a nice person but was really in no state to care for a kid at the beginning. She's gotten her act together by the time he's seven, though. His father has issues about having cheated on his dead wife and Shinou being the product of that and... well, he's really a complete bastard. :/ Shinou's family history is /interesting/.
Murata, on the other hand, is the only child of two academics (one German, one Chinese). His parents are both basically always at work and he's neglected horribly until his grandparents come by one day and go "...your kid needs help." Murata's not really happy about this; he liked raising himself!

And yes, I do not get it when people think mask-Murata is the real Murata. I mean, considering how incredibly easily he switches from goofy to serious Sage I thought the fact that he was just pretending was obvious. And there are hints the entire way through; like when he talked about telling people about his past lives ("Being known as ill was great. The worst was being burned." O_o) or just generally his entire attitude... I don't think I've ever run across such an incredibly closed-off char before. :/ I can't believe people don't see that.

I was irked at how, after four thousand years of planning and plotting, Yuuri just went "OK I kill Soushu now!" and... did. I mean, if it was that easy, the whole crazy plan wouldn't have been necessary in the first place! I'm happy Shinou survived, but that ending... I just found it cheap, to be honest. And I loved evil!Shinou. I especially loved Murata completely loyal to evil!Shinou. *glee!*

...I think Shinou will be more upset about Wolfram making the replacements. O_o

And I'm in Scotland during term-time, northern Germany during the holidays. Neither of them are really the best place for cons :S and I seem to recall making up a theory that once Soushu was defeated, the Sage could turn to the next great enemy - Shinou's fashion sense. XD

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ex_victims March 4 2007, 02:58:09 UTC
Yes! That's what I always say to my friends, but they usually tell me how insane I am to think that Shinou and Sage have a bond of that magnitude. But why the hell not? I love how Murata speaks about Shinou so casually, almost as if commenting about the antics of one's spouse. <3 "He's so fickle." I can see Murata paired with other characters romantically and I can believe that he LOVES them, but he would never be IN LOVE with any of them.

Yuuri/Wolfram is rocky, not to mention the Conrad/Yuuri implications. >> I especially get annoyed at fics that make Yuuri out to be some village bike. He's FIFTEEN for Shinou's sake!

I love how you write angst because it doesn't seem very forced or "BAM IN YOUR FACE!" Instead it builds up and moves smoothly throughout the story, and the emotion itself is expressed, not just the act of being angsty.

O___o Oh wow. Shinou's had it pretty rough then. I can see Shinou and his father together now. Poor man doesn't realize who he's pissing off. Any man in Shin Makoku (and Jose!) would probably soil their pants if they knew they just made Shinou Heika angry. :S By `interesting` I'll bet you mean `drama drama drama`.

Pfft! Murata is definitely not the kind to like unwanted attention from people who will never understand him. I think as Murata Ken, he acted so normal and became an honor student for the sake of getting his parents off his back. Jennifer is a totally different story. ;)

Mmhm! The switching of personalities was always so sudden and PERFECT that it made me suspicious right away. The first time Murata stepped foot in Shin Makoku for four thousand years, he seemed so at peace... Like a homecoming. He's so exceptional in his acting that most people don't see the "Sage" underneath unless he chooses to show himself. I liked how he got annoyed that no one was telling him anything (almost like he's an after-thought).

Murata: HELLO?! Great Sage here. Infinite wisdom, remember? Now get your butts over here so I can lecture you!

Yuuri killing Soushu was hilarious. The entire scene was a camera switch between Shinou then Yuuri then Shinou then FINALLY Yuuri running at Shinou with Morgif. WTF? Back in the `Glorious Era`, it took years and countless battles to defeat Soushu. All Yuuri needed to do was hack and slash?

Hahah! The replacements were so horrible even Wolfram threw up! :D

Ooooh. I'm from the states so I'm not familiar with cons all the way in Europe. ^____^; Shinou's nonexistant fashion sense you mean.

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kazaera March 4 2007, 14:22:05 UTC
but they usually tell me how insane I am to think that Shinou and Sage have a bond of that magnitude.

...*what?*

Excuse me, the fact that they have a bond of that magnitude is just about frickin' CANON. Quite ignoring how Murata talks about him and talks to him, have you missed how he is still doing everything to fulfill their plan after four thousand years? Have you missed how he *chose* to undergo that mess of reincarnations just to help Shinou? Have you missed the whole "I promised to help and support you so I will continue to do so for the rest of eternity?" business? How could anyone see those two and *not* realise they have that kind of bond?!
Um, you friends are insane. Sorry, but it's true.

I can sometimes see Murata/Yozak - but the thing is that to me it'll always be just a short digression from Shinou. He doesn't have to be celibate, but I can't see him getting emotionally involved to nearly the same extent.
In fact, in a way I can't see him getting emotionally involved at *all*. I think after so many years, other people aren't really real anymore to Murata - I mean, why should they be? They're transient, only there very briefly; they never see the real him, they're not even capable of understanding him. Which is why his liking Yuuri is such a big thing, and surprising, and (IMO) not really welcome. (I think Murata's "there is no need for two suns in this world" is my favourite scene in the whole series).

...I boggle at fics where Yuuri is the village bicycle. Boggle. It's *Yuuri*, for crying out loud. He of the "omgwhat two boys can't do that!" And I am even more glad I stay out of that part of fandom. >_<;;

*blushes* Thank you! Really, I try not to start out with the goal of writing angst, I just write the character and if he happens to have something to angst about, then that comes out too.

And yes, Shinou's life has been rather dramatic so far. (To be honest, I still haven't quite figured out what's up with his dad yet...) Although it's getting better since his mum has gotten her act together... but his dad's still messing things up, which is one of the reasons they wind up moving to the Sage's hometown; to get away from him! Plus, Shinou's half-sister is there and she's great.

I always got that impression from Murata too! I actually have a moldering plot bunny about how he relates to his parents - because frankly, getting a new pair of parents every lifetime has to get old pretty quickly. Having people loving him and constantly on his case just because of that blood relation, moreso.

XDDD at Murata's "HELLO GREAT SAGE HERE". You can't have it both ways, Murata! Either quit using the idiot-mask or accept that if you use it, people will think of you as one even in situations where that's not a good thing!

And that was exactly my reaction to the killing Soushu scene... ><

But I must protest - Shinou's fashion sense isn't nonexistent. If it were nonexistent, he'd just be wearing clashing colours and comfortable clothes with no regard for what they look like. Shinou has a fashion sense, it's just gone through "bad" and out the other side to a kind of anti-good.

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ex_victims March 4 2007, 15:05:24 UTC
My friends are insane! I agree one-hundred percent! I feel almost as if people ignore this pairing because (to them) Shinou and Daikenja aren't the main characters. They don't seem to realize that the entire PLOT of the anime is ABOUT them and their goal to defeat Soushu. Nothing against Yuuri or Wolfram or Conrad or Gwendel, because they can all be interesting and complex characters in their own right... I just don't see how anyone can actively IGNORE Murata! Do they not see that he is the highest ranking Mazoku apart from Yuuri? Or how he can manipulate people so easily? In a sense, the Sage is possibly one of the most under appreciated characters in Fandom, simply because he's such a complex entity people just don't get him. (How anyone could possibly fall for his goofy-mask after episodes 76-end is beyond me.)

Apart from Shinou/Sage, the only other option is Murata/Yozak. Yuuri/Murata would be too angsty what with Wolfram and Shinou and the drama. As for Murata/Yozak, it's a nice idea, and I can see them together like Christine/Jose were together. In my mind though, Murata would just be in it because Yozak knows his place and doesn't ask unwanted questions (plus the sex is good). xDD

Yuuri =/= Cheri. People shouldn't get their personalities mixed up. I love Cheri, because she's so feminine but she's also such a strong personality and is not ashamed of her past in the least. We need more female characters like her, Anissina, Julia, and Gisela in anime. I tire of the conventional "kawaii", dependent type of girls.

O_O They move into Sage's neighborhood! WOOT! I wanna see them hugging and laughing and chasing each other around the playground. <3 Sooo cuuute~

Exactly! I think for the majority, he wants to be left alone unless something happens and he becomes The Sage. In the anime, he chooses to stay at Shinou Temple (not for the hot priestesses) but to keep an eye on Shoushu's progress and to get away from the hussle and bustle of Blood Pledge. Staying at the castle would bring back too many memories.

See? Not all of his schemes turn out the way he wants them to! :P He wants people to under estimate him, but not to forget about him entirely! Conrad though, is sometimes more perceptive than any other character. "I under estimated you Geika. You've planned this all along, haven't you?"

xDDD Maybe in this new life, Shinou will wear jeans and a shirt? Or no shirt at all? <3

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kazaera March 4 2007, 16:50:04 UTC
I think you're quite right - the fact that Murata only really shows himself around ep 30 and that most people had probably dismissed him by then doesn't help. And yes, in a way the entire anime revolves around Shinou and Daikenja. I mean, they're the ones orchestrating nearly *everything* happening behind the scenes!

I rather like Murata and Yozak (as friends, mostly, but I can see where people get the sex from). In a way, Yozak understands Murata - or at least understands that he *can't* understand Murata. He doesn't fall for the goofy mask but doesn't insist on trying to figure out what's behind it; he's perfectly happy to just leave him be. And I think Murata appreciates having a person around whom he can let down his guard a bit, who won't judge him and who can appreciate the fact that the world isn't black and white, that sometimes you have to do unpleasant things to reach your goal. I can't see him being in *love* with Yozak, just... being comfortable around him and, although not dropping his masks, not feeling the need to constantly play a role. Of course, for Murata that's a huge concession! :o

...I do not understand how people /can/ mix up Yuuri and Cheri. And yes, the KKM-girls are love. They consistently pwn their male counterparts.

And yes, there is hugging and laughing and no chasing yet but there probably will be soon. At the moment, I'm writing the reunion scene and they simply *refuse* to let go of each other so chasing will have to wait a bit!

Yeah... I also figured that the thing with Blood Pledge Castle was that people kept trying to draw him into their lives. And he doesn't want that, especially not when he's going to sort-of betray them. He's busy, he has to plan things and he certainly doesn't want to start *liking* these people.
Plus, he wants to talk with Shinou! :D
(And re: hot priestesses - c'mon, does anyone believe he was actually serious there?!)

...I wish there were more Conrad and Murata scenes in the anime, because I think they have the potential to play off one another very well. They didn't even show how Conrad learned who Murata was!

And yes, jeans and a T-shirt for Shinou! He's discovered the joy of casual clothes.

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ex_victims March 5 2007, 16:01:15 UTC
Exactly, I mean the makers of the anime introduced Murata at first as a very minor character (like Dorcas) in hopes of making the people dismiss him - then BAM! A surprise. "Whoa, he's THE Great Sage?"

I can picture the relationship between Murata and Yozak as something very casual. There's no strings attached, barely any emotion, just enjoying each other's company. Maybe Murata enjoys Yozak's sense of humor? :P Who knows? The fact that Yozak himself is a spy and isn't exactly "lawfully good" (despite working for Shin Makoku royalty) might attract the Sage.

Hahaha, I so want my friend Carla to cosplay Cheri in her "superhero" costume! That would rock so much~

*Droooools* I wanna read that! Tiny!S&S are so adorableeee. But I gotta ask, who's taller? Oo; In their first life, Shinou and Sage were the same height, but Asians (even mixed) are usually shorter than Caucasians (I should know *cough*).

I wonder what Murata and Shinou would talk about aside from their plans? The affairs of the state? Other people? How horrible Shinou’s taste in clothing was? Besides, it’s gotta be painful for the Sage to witness Shoushu slowly taking over…

Conrad and Shori were the only two characters with enough sense to see beyond what they’re told. That makes me kind of wonder about how Gunter became the Advisor to the Maou and how Gwendel became a general. I guess it had to do with how they were raised to obey Shinou’s will so they’ve become puppets on a string. Conrad became suspicious of Shinou after that whole Dai Shimaron fiasco and Shori was skeptical from the start.

Mmmm. Shinou in jeans. :D~~ Another thing is how Conrad called both Shinou and Sage "Kings" when telling Yuuri the history behind the portraits... which makes me think that S&S might've been more official.

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kazaera March 4 2007, 02:40:08 UTC
Here you go. And now I'm going to bed as it's nearly three in the morning, what!

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