*sigh*

[agilebrit]

You know what they say about the road to hell?

I watched the whole thing unfold yesterday at Fandom Wank and liz_marcs's LJ, but it wasn't until I was about to go to bed that it finally hit my flist. I've had some time to think about it and digest it, and now I think I'm ready to weigh in

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[laii]

I think everyone agrees that it "has only served to warn actual pedophiles to bury themselves deeper."

Even I got involved, and I'm not huge in any fandom!

LJ still doesn't have a statement issued out. And there are 24 pages of comments on the most recent news posting....

[agilebrit]

It's up to 44 pages now, although the first six are about the actual topic of that particular news post. I haven't written fic since last year, I've never written incest (although I've had two characters raped), so this affects me personally not at all, but the clumsy handling of this situation and the fact that survivor comms were suspended has me frothing.

[laii]

I think I've read one of your rape fics, in which it was done tastefully and was there for plot purposes only.

I will agree though, very clumsily handled. Rumors have been flying for days now. They should have put a stop to it much sooner.

[agilebrit]

I had Kaylee raped (offscreen) in one fic, and it dealt mainly with Jayne's feelings of helplessness watching the aftermath. And of course there was the ReaverFic. *shudder* I can't help but wonder if the WFI will come after me for those, especially the ReaverFic, because, hey! Forced cannibalism! Never mind that I broke Jayne into teeny tiny pieces in that one, I wrote it and therefore I must advocate it.

Or something. *growls*

[opalescence]

What about the communities devoted to and promoting anorexia?

I don't know much about all of this and what has been going on, but I've caught some of it.

[agilebrit]

Well, anorexia isn't illegal, dontchaknow?

I only caught early yesterday because I check Fandom Wank on a fairly regular basis; it didn't hit my flist until late last night. I'm not even peripherally impacted myownself since I don't belong to any of those comms and don't read or write that kind of thing. What I'm furious about is LJ actually equating perpetrators with survivors. Jeez, way to victimize them further, SixApart! *sarcastic thumbs-up*

[dragonflymuse]

This whole thing is a Gordian Knot of free speech/freedom of expression and when it crosses into the criminal side of solicitation and promotion. Sending a robot out to scan for key words and then go and levee and absolutist solution is not democratic or compassionate. What about terms and phrases like 'i love nazis' or 'getting drunk' as interests? Both are socially objectionable (and to some very taboo and unacceptable things) but because 1)alcohol is legal and 2)... well, I have no excuse for #2, except for the standard freedom of speech issues, but because they are 'interests' that promote hatred, division and unhealthy/dibilitating activities, are they, too, going to be added to the list of objectionable interests

[agilebrit]

Well, their site, their rules--Freedom of Speech is a restriction on the government, not a blogging site. I just wish they'd be consistent in what the rules actually are, and consistent when they enforce them. I've heard rumbles that they had complaints about the actual pedo comms before, and their response was "Nope, sorry, can't do anything, talking about something, or even confessing to something, isn't the same as doing it, have a nice day." To turn that response around on a dime and permanently suspend journals with no warning (and, according to the TOS, they're supposed to warn you!) left and right--and equate abusers and victims by suspending them both? NOT ON.

And I've written stories where people were raped and murdered--on a mass basis. Does this mean I advocate such? Are the WFI going to come after me for the ReaverFic or the DamnFic next?

[baron_waste]

Here's an interesting twist on it - apparently the Russian-language LJ comms get censored for content as an ongoing thing.

Nice, that we're emulating the Russians, isn't it? Of course, that's what Political Correctness is all about; what people believe, they cannot say, and what people say, no one believes. It's a very Russian practice. That it's not American, well, neither are the people who are foisting it upon us...

[curiouswombat]

Sadly I get the impression that the vigilante group involved are American. Sadly because it just tends to confirm what many of us in the outside world think - there are probably weirder, madder and more downright unpleasantly stupid people in the US than in any other single country in the world.

[baron_waste]

Have an icon.

http://originality.livejournal.com/158494.html

[agilebrit]

*snerk* Those are AWESOME.