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Jul 24, 2006 23:41

i. Growing up, my father desperately tried to instill in me a fearlessness of things mechanical. If there were tools to be used, I was to be there learning these Extremely Valuable Life Lessons of tablesaw operation or how to change a flat tire or the art of roof reshingle-ry. As a child who clutched to proper femininity like my gender life raft, I ( Read more... )

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a_clear_job July 25 2006, 14:32:26 UTC
Vertex Q of square OPQR is on a circle with the center O. If the area of the square is 8, what is the area of the circle?

Which essentially leaves me with two questions. 1. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? 2. I used to know this?!

from wikipedia.org:In geometry, a vertex (Latin: corner; plural vertices) is a corner of a polygon (where two sides meet) or of a polyhedron (where three or more faces and edges meet).

if you talk it out in your head, it's not that bad:

so, "Vertex Q" represents one of the corners of the square; in fact it represents the corner that is diagnol from "O", which is the center of the circle. "Vertex Q" is on the circle, meaning the circumference of the circle touches Q. This means that the diagnol value between O and Q is the radius of the circle. If the area of the square is 8, then one side is equal to the square root of 8. Then use the Pythagorean theorem; the square root of 8 - squared - is 8. 8 x 2 = 16 (right angle triangle - the square of the hypotenuse = the sum of the squares of the other two sides). The square root of 16 is 4, that's your diagnol value (the circle radius). the area of the circle is PiR² = approx. 50.27 (rounded to two decimal places).

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birdflew July 25 2006, 16:08:42 UTC
A+ for you.
Pam, with practice you’ll become a pro at these questions because it’s all..what? grade 7 math? It just takes some refreshing and getting used to the sorts of questions that get asked because once you’ve solved a few hundred you’ll see that they’re very repetitive and all sorta require the same kind of intuitive thinking. You’re really not going to get any mathematically complex problems on the GRE, so it’s just a matter of getting your head around it and thinking simple. Too bad you’re not in Ottawa anymore because I have a sick obsession with doing these sorts of problems, and we could spend afternoons on math review. How fun does that sound? :(

When/why are you taking the GRE?

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a_clear_job July 25 2006, 17:03:23 UTC
hey, are you saying my math level is only grade 7?! :P i'll have you know i took finite and calculus back when Ontario Academic Credits still existed!!! heheh. honestly, the only reason i posted the wiki entry for vertex is because i had to look it up, being unsure at my memory of what it meant. fortunately, my initial guess was correct, and the rest of the equation follows logically, because, yes, you do in fact learn PiR² and the Pythagorean theorem in grade 7 (in fact i think it was grade 6 for me).

but i haven't gotten an A+ for math in over 12 years, so yay for me! i feel like lisa simpson, being graded well (on a math problem) is like a good drug. :P

this arithmetic matrices calculator is awesome.

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birdflew July 26 2006, 06:18:34 UTC
hey, are you saying my math level is only grade 7?!

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying ;)

That calculator is cute, but IMO matrices are only useful insofar as they help me kill everyone at Sudoku, which is itself only useful because I've decided that breaking Sudoku is the key to solving the mystery of NP-complete problems, which will win me a million bucks and hopefully a mention on Numb3rs.

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a_clear_job July 26 2006, 13:17:10 UTC
sudoku is a brainwashing technique to turn all of us into zombies.

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ageofscience July 25 2006, 17:04:38 UTC
It actually does sound fun! I love learning this kind of stuff if I have someone to help me out, rather than just staring at the book in utter confusion when they invariably miss steps in explaining stuff. So frustrating! But hey, you can actually help from afar if you happen to know this- how do you find the area of a triangle if you know the lenths of the sides but not the perpendicular height?

I'm taking the test within the next couple weeks. My MA is only a year long, so that means I have to apply for my PhD in December. York is the only Canadian school that I would even consider for a PhD, so I'm definitely going to apply to some American schools and probably some in Europe. Hence, need for stupid standardized testing. Also, word is they're restructuring the GRE in Novemeber and I don't like the sounds of the changes they're making, so I want it out of the way.

Have you thought any more about your own grad school plans of late? Are you going to be doing the GRE this year too?

Eep, sorry that was a little "garrulous". But hey, check me out using my vocabulary words in daily conversation!

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a_clear_job July 25 2006, 18:44:27 UTC
well you're probably not asking me, but i cannot resist providing answers to things that i actually know, of which there are very few:

how do you find the area of a triangle if you know the lenths of the sides but not the perpendicular height?

in one word: trigonometry (specifically the Heron of Alexandria / Archimedes formula);

suppose your triangle sides are valued "a", "b", and "c", and the value of the area is "A".

A = the square root of {s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)},
where s = (a+b+c)/2.

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ageofscience July 25 2006, 20:14:57 UTC
Holy, thank you so much! Did you learn that in school, because I definitely never did. Trigonometry was my favourite part of math, but we always did the really complicated things that necessitate calculators.

See, my problem is that the study books assume you already know these things. So when they're like, "and since you know that the area of an equilateral triangle with sides of two is the square root of three..." and I'm left thinking, "I know that?!". But now I totally get why! Math kind of rules when you actually understand.

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a_clear_job July 25 2006, 21:11:40 UTC
trig is all related. the heron equation relates directly to the trig functions i imagine you learned in school, like sine, cosine, tan, etc. most trig functions rely on you knowing the relationship/ratio of one side of a triangle to another, and how to yield the theta angle value from that (or vice versa; you know the value of one of the sides and the theta angle, and want to determine the value of another side). it's a shame if you were taught it in such a way that it "necessitated" calculators; calculators should be used as shortcuts when you know HOW and WHY the equation works: they should not be used to substitute said HOW and WHY.

SOHCAHTOA is the marvelous math mnemonic for remembering trigonometric functions:

"A way of remembering how to compute the sine, cosine, and tangent of an angle.

SOH stands for Sine equals Opposite over Hypotenuse.

CAH stands for Cosine equals Adjacent over Hypotenuse.

TOA stands for Tangent equals Opposite over Adjacent."

[wherein "Opposite" is the perpendicular side of the triangle, opposite the hypotenuse and theta angle, and "Adjacent" is the bottom side of the triangle, between the theta and right angles].

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birdflew July 27 2006, 05:45:12 UTC
Horribly inconvenient course availability means I'm going to be here for another year at the very least. There's one course I need that is a prereq for pretty much the rest of my life, and I can't take it until Spring 2007 (at the earliest). I'm a little frustrated about that, but also it buys me more time to get my grad school plans straight which is great because I'm completely switching gears every other week it seems, and plus I'm just now beginning to enjoy the undergrad thing so I don't mind sticking around so much at all. But basically I have no clue what I'm going to do, but I'm leaning more and more towards doing my MSc in economics but that is scary for so many reasons not the least of which is the challenge of holding my own among fervent neoliberals (whereas currently in my little academic circle I'm the most (which is not very) fervent neolib I know) and the very real possibility of losing sight of everything I enjoy about economics and finding myself considering the marginal utility of my lunch options. Plus I'm so scared of jumping on the next disastrous econ theory bandwagon and finding economic models crumbling beneath me and finding out everything I believe is a sham, though I guess that's pretty much guaranteed to happen and the stuff that critical theory is made of. I think maybe a good fit for me would be an IPE program that is rooted in an econ rather than poli sci-ish department, but I'm just going to have to keep searching for that perfect program/school. Holy scary/frustrating! But knowing that you at least successfully got through this stage is totally comforting and encouraging. But I think your head is on way straighter than mine :(

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ageofscience July 27 2006, 14:18:05 UTC
For the record, I happen to think my head is on considerably LESS straight than yours, my dear.

And I think the scary possibility that when you go to grad school your world will be turned upside down and shaken before it's set back up again is something all of us are a little scared of. I wouldn't let it deter you. Never be afraid of more knowledge, I say!

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ageofscience July 25 2006, 16:52:17 UTC
So what you're saying is they aren't kidding me, huh?

Way to make it sound so easy. It isn't! I think when you don't speak that language for a while, you just forget how to even start to approach such a question.

Wanna write my math section of the test for me, by any chance?

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a_clear_job July 25 2006, 18:50:44 UTC
I think when you don't speak that language for a while, you just forget how to even start to approach such a question.

what a great analogy! i have found from talking to others who are good with languages - but no so good with math - that my learning "frustrations" with languages very much mirror the lexicon issues that some people (who are really good with languages) seem to have with math. as though some people are naturally predispositioned to think in numerical or scientific deconstruction, while others more so in textual/verbal abstractions and correlations.

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a_clear_job July 25 2006, 21:23:02 UTC
Wanna write my math section of the test for me, by any chance?

how much gold will ye paye me? :P

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