Ninjas and Chicken

Mar 16, 2004 09:11

Ah, the subject line grabbed your attention, didn't it? Well, that's pretty much what my weekend was comprised of. The ninja part of it was taken care of by hours and hours of an anime called Naruto, based around a ninja village and the young 'uns growing up within. Fairly entertaining actually. The second part of the subject line is alluding ( Read more... )

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Re: The When and the Where briester March 16 2004, 21:38:50 UTC
You couldnt "correct" your reality by altering another, as you have established. The corrections to reality have adverse effects that prevent you from completing your mission, but those adverse effects were caused by you, implying that you can change the future, it's just not an exact science. My question, then, is the chicken/egg deal. If a character tries to fix his reality by going back, but kills his ol' grand-dad, preventing his own birth, which in turn prevents the murder of his grandfather... Who dies?

Also, would traveling to an alternate reality, making changes, and returning to your own have any affect on your reality, or only alter the reality you traveled too? Is it an alternate plane of existance, where another *you* lives and breaths, or is it just an iteration of your home reality, where everything is exactly the same, save that one branching set of possibilities? (Quantum theory or multiverse theory)

Sorry for asking about fine details on a subject I wasn't privey to too begin with, silly philosophical situations interest the living crap out of me.

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Re: The When and the Where scroundral March 16 2004, 23:44:16 UTC
Lets see, you are a Wheel of Time person correct? So to give a bit of background to this situation. Keep in mind it will be full of holes no matter how you look at it. However........

The pattern that the wheel weaves, creates one reality. We know the ancient Aes Sedia used portal stones to travel between different realities and dimensions. Each pattern was a unique reality with the only connection being between the portal stones themselves. Normally these different patterns never get woven together and life goes on.

But what happens if one or more patterns become woven together? Even as small as a single thread being woven between two different patterns. In the case of the storyline for my WoT game I wanted to create a parallel reality, but I didn't want to make just another DnD game called the WOT. The characters have been caught up with a small group who realize several patterns have been woven together and they are attempting to unravel the weave. In the characters reality the Senchan control Falme and have for 100 years. Samuel is the ruler of Tear and has been for a very long time. The characters are in the actual WoT reality but it is skewed. Male channelers have formed an alliance called the Brotherhood where they can be protected from the Red Ajah. The Black Ajah are not a secret organization but work with Samuel in Tear. Things are not as they should be.

The ability to restore the pattern in its entirety may not be possible, so the group must, as a minimum, see that Rand survives to become the Dragon reborn. Their ability is very limited and can only work with a handful of threads. The first major task the characters will face is to save Rand, Matt and Perrin when they went as boys to the base of the Mountains of Mist. A very minor event in the WoT reality, unless Rand is killed.

That should give you some of the background.

So to use your example. You exist in your reality but you must fix something which became skewed. Lets say, your daughter died and she shouldn't have. As soon as your daughter died your reality branched off into another reality. You go back to your original reality and stop the event which killed your daughter, effectively cutting that thread. Now your reality is fixed and doesn't branch off. So far so good.

But, when you went back you killed your grandfather. When that event happened your grandfathers’ reality branched off, more precise it ended. In that reality you were never born, nor was your daughter who never would have died. You still exist because you came from the normal reality where your grandfather still lives. Your reality is unchanged; you fixed the thread which resulted in the death of your daughter, so life is good.

Now your grandmothers reality was changed by the death of your grandfather. She goes back to the reality in which you killed him and in turn kills you. Her reality is returned to normal. You didn't exist in her reality yet so you are not affected. She severed the thread which changed her reality and brought it back to normal. You died, but will still be born, placing you back into your reality, which may or may not have flaws in it later. The possibility then exists for your daughter to never die because you were cut out of the pattern and then woven back in.

On to the second part. Since time travel is not possible you cant go backwards in your reality and kill yourself. (This is kind of splitting hairs as it were by definition) You could travel to another reality and kill the you there, altering that reality in the process. When an event occurs in your reality it cant be changed. It technically becomes set. But the flaw changes your reality to another one. If you can go back (Read this as leaving the flawed reality to step back into your original reality), remove the flaw before it is woven, you simply stay there and your original reality continues on.

So....."is it just an iteration of your home reality, where everything is exactly the same, save that one branching set of possibilities?" Yes.

That was a long winded explanation I think. But that is how I see the events in my WoT campaign.

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Re: The When and the Where briester March 17 2004, 20:38:15 UTC
Looks like a nice setup, I like the thought you've obviously put into it. It would seem, from a DM's perspective, to be something difficult to pull off, but way-freakin-cool if done right... which I'm sure you'll do.

Also, can I meet me in another iteration, or does the branching of my reality (do I go back to fix it or not?) remove me from the reality I'm traveling to (before anything needs fixing, to prevent breakage)?

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Re: The When and the Where scroundral March 17 2004, 21:12:04 UTC
Yes, I think you could meet you since two different threads are involved. However, would the you in the alternate pattern really be you since he experienced slightly different events? If you stayed in his pattern there would be two threads continuing into the weave. It is possible the other you is identical except for one tiny little habit, which over 20 years changed his personality. Thoughts?

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