i need your help. i hope you dont think i exploit your intelligence, but i am writing this paper on the story of abraham/isaac and the difference btwn the story in the quran. it involves comparing ishmael's willingness to die and knowledge of his imminent death and how that compares with isaac not knowing he was to be sacrificed. But now Im wondering if there are any stories in the Old or New Testament of prophets (not Jesus) who willingly sacrificed their life (or came close) for the sake of faith, without being given a reason. Maybe I could compare stories. this is vague, but if you can think of anything let me know. thanks tim.
despite the many glaring spelling errors cause I didn't read it over, one of the corrections is reconciliation not reconcillitation or whatever I wrote
Jonah rebelled bitterly about going where God wanted him to go. And eventually God had Jonah go to the Assyrians in Nineva to preach a judgment of sorts on them that there was no forgiveness and what would happen. (the Assyrians were the ones who obliterated the Northern Kingdom 10 tribes of Israel) Jonah hated them and didn't want God to help them so at least he was happy about this judgment in that sense. Well the Assyrians ended up repenting and God ended up forgiving them. Jonah through a hissy fit. He was told to go do this thing and he had no idea that God would do something different. It is a sacrifice of sorts. He had no idea what God's plan was...or he thought he had and idea and God chose to be forgiving and Jonah was pissed. Ok thats it...
and don't worry about exploiting me. I don't mind at all. at all
thank you so much for your help tim. i decided that i really dont know enough about the bible for my initial thesis, so i am basically now trying to use kierkegaard and derrida to look at both versions of the story, emphasizing that despite huge differences, both stories offer the same relationship btwn ethics and religion. but your email will still be helpful for putting it into context, so thank you.
I don't know Derrida's treatment, but I remember Kierkegaard's teleological suspension of the ethical wasn't my favorite thing he ever came up with. I am gathering from what I know of Derrida, I would probably like his view, but I wish he was a little more hopeful (a real hope, not a manufactured one)
thanks tim. im trying. trying trying. do you have any opinions on which is more unethical, the murder of one's son or the consent to be sacrificed? i cant determine if i should equate consent to be sacrificed with suicide. i dont think so, the murder seems to much more unethical, but it was a murder with consent of the victim. sooooo..........???
OK... now one with my pretty pictureafraidtorejoiceDecember 14 2005, 05:47:18 UTC
Well what's your approach to ethics. I don't know if I would want to establish ethical principles and then make judgments. I couldn't make a universal statement like suicide is wrong, as true as it may seem.
Re: OK... now one with my pretty picturefromthishourDecember 14 2005, 15:30:28 UTC
yah that anonymous one was creepy. and i was really just thinking out loud, i dont expect you to configure your thoughts on suicide on livejournal. maybe if we ever get deadjournals.
Re: OK... now one with my pretty picturestoryofthealamoDecember 16 2005, 07:40:11 UTC
yeah, I guess I was just saying that my immediate problem with Kierkegaard was that he assumed a "deontological" ethic. Just saying that he had somesort of law about what was ethical and what wasn't. And I don't think there is such a moral law
Re: OK... now one with my pretty pictureafraidtorejoiceDecember 18 2005, 08:07:12 UTC
Shifa, if you don't mind I would actually like to read this paper this time (not that I didn't want to read the other ones that I said I did, but if I write that maybe you'll think I mean it) I have some more stuff I would say but it would be less about additional info and more a critique or view on literary criticism.... so that being said I want to leave you to what you have and not try to convince you about opinion, and I would really like to see what you come up with ...
i need your help. i hope you dont think i exploit your intelligence, but i am writing this paper on the story of abraham/isaac and the difference btwn the story in the quran. it involves comparing ishmael's willingness to die and knowledge of his imminent death and how that compares with isaac not knowing he was to be sacrificed. But now Im wondering if there are any stories in the Old or New Testament of prophets (not Jesus) who willingly sacrificed their life (or came close) for the sake of faith, without being given a reason. Maybe I could compare stories. this is vague, but if you can think of anything let me know. thanks tim.
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Jonah rebelled bitterly about going where God wanted him to go. And eventually God had Jonah go to the Assyrians in Nineva to preach a judgment of sorts on them that there was no forgiveness and what would happen. (the Assyrians were the ones who obliterated the Northern Kingdom 10 tribes of Israel) Jonah hated them and didn't want God to help them so at least he was happy about this judgment in that sense. Well the Assyrians ended up repenting and God ended up forgiving them. Jonah through a hissy fit. He was told to go do this thing and he had no idea that God would do something different. It is a sacrifice of sorts. He had no idea what God's plan was...or he thought he had and idea and God chose to be forgiving and Jonah was pissed. Ok thats it...
and don't worry about exploiting me. I don't mind at all. at all
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loveshifa.
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good luck with the paper
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and i was really just thinking out loud, i dont expect you to configure your thoughts on suicide on livejournal.
maybe if we ever get deadjournals.
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So it is me that is creepy
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good luck with finals.
if you have them
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