you're kidding, right?aeromatic500July 29 2004, 17:48:27 UTC
you don't even care that you've been feed lies? I'm not saying that John Kerry is a great president, but he is by all means a better PERSON than Bush is. The fact remains that there IS a power vacuum in Iraq, we do not belong there, we never did, the interim government there is a pathetic farce and the Iraqi people, along with the rest of the world, KNOW IT. They will not stop fighting and killing for their rights as human beings until they get what they deserve. By staying there we are only risking the lives of more Americans and innocent Iraqi's. Do you honestly think that our government gives a flying fuck about our people our the lives of anyone else in the world? If so, I am truly sorry for you. The truth of the matter is that the government doesn't give a shit about you, your friends, your family. It couldn't care less, and it never will. The only time they even remotely care is tax day and the elections, and you live in Massachusetts so that doesn't even matter.
You're another person saying that the Iraqi people are not fit to rule themselves, give it a fucking break Rick. So they'll probably have another dictator, ok, well that means all we did was waste a lot of precious human lives on both sides of the conflict. That's pretty much how most of the people see how this will end regardless. Most of the people in the WORLD are appalled by what we're doing, flaunting around our military strength like we have a mandate from God Himself about who and what is right and wrong. We don't, we never have, we're murderers and liars, and you love every second of it. Why stop at Iraq? What about all the other dictators that we KNOW are committing acts of genocide and torturing their people? How come we're not moving in to oust them and give their people freedom? Probably because their countries are not sitting on top of giant oil reserves which we could also liberate. I wonder how you can call our leaders more compassionate and honorable then some hypothetical dictator type who has yet to even make an appearance. Bush? Compassionate? What about cutting humanitarian aid worldwide, AND for his own people? Bush ran for office calling himself a "Compassionate Conservative." Obviously he needs a dictionary, because I doubt Webster would call slashing funds for schools and hospitals to make more room in the budget for bombs and caskets 'compassionate,' and any idiot can tell you that a HUGE deficit is clearly not the sign of a 'conservative.'
Get a map out, check where Iraq is, what else is there? Iran, for one, and government leaders are already starting to make the same accusations against Iran that they did against Iraq (this will go over well I'm sure, because most Americans are too fucking stupid to understand that they are different places). But what else do you see? What natural body of water exists between the two, along with our allies the Saudis? And what other places would possessing this natural staging area allow us to attack? Keep in mind the increasing hostilities to China and North Korea. A hand is above you, palm facing downward, fingers out stretched. Things are moving in a sinister direction whether you choose to believe it or not.
It's so easy for people to talk about atrocities. We see clips of it on Fox News every night, reveling in the orgiastic splendor of it all. Yes, the Iraqis (as well as many other people world wide) use beheadings as a way of getting their point across. People crash planes into buildings, wiping out thousands in a single day. Cars and people are rigged with explosives, maiming and killing whoever is unlucky enough to be in the area. Smart bombs crash through buildings, daisy cutters split mountain tops, artillery smashes through mosques, vaporizing anyone in the blast radius. I don't recall anyone being particularly upset when a US missile strike targeted an Iraqi wedding. Oops! Our bad! At least you're getting an interim government! There will ALWAYS be atrocities when people are treated as cattle, which is exactly what we're doing, to ourselves and to others.
this post is too long for one commentaeromatic500July 29 2004, 17:48:54 UTC
And I happen to think that it DOES FUCKING MATTER if our reasons for going to war were an OUTRIGHT LIE. IT DOES FUCKING MATTER. It matters to every fatherless child, every parent who has seen their child born, raised up, then butchered. It matters to everyone, on BOTH sides. It has torn our nation apart and made a lot more people furious with us, both foreign and domestic. All we have done is created an entire new generation of terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying America, and until we show them otherwise, I do not blame them. So yes Rick, it certainly does matter.
P.S. That list is a crock, a complete crock. We've been lied to, of course you'll find people supporting the war before they have valid information and haven't seen the bodies piling up. If you want to continue being a complete wank, why not find a list of how many people supported the US actions in Afghanistan (hey, remember that place?! Who was that guy we were looking for again, you know, the guy responsible for the world trade center attacks? What?! WE FUNDED HIM DURING THE 80'S?!?!?!), and later Iraq. I'm sure it was a majority, and why? BECAUSE WE WERE LIED TO. What's worse is that nearly 70% of the intelligence community called the information we had falsified, blown out of proportion, or simply misleading, yet our infallible leader, Mr. George W. Bush, decided to go with the 30% and didn't bother to tell anyone else that most of his own informers said he was wrong. So yes, stop jerking off every time your hindsight finds someone being lied to, it happened to all of us.
P.P.S. And one more thing, THE BALLS TO STAND BEHIND HIS DECISIONS? How about the BALLS to admit he was wrong, how about the BALLS to apologize to the hundreds and hundreds of American GI's that he's had killed for NO REASON. How about the BALLS to say that his Christian beliefs do not allow him to willingly hurt another human being? They sure stand in the way of people wanting to show their love to the world, those Godless Sodomites that make up nearly 10% of our nation! Tell you what, why don't we just rope up all the niggers, spicks and gays, send them all into concentration camps. We'll keep the jews around because they're good with numbers. Then we can color our nuclear weapons red white and blue, shoot them off all over the world (I've got the worst blue balls for mass homicide) and have a big fucking party while the only people not affected by the blasts and subsequent fallout are those in NORAD. We can rename ourselves the United States of Texas, GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Re: this post is too long for one commentrico14July 29 2004, 18:47:31 UTC
Wow John, Don't you just deserve a huge fucking clap on the back for your astonishing revelation, The government doesnt care about you me or the god damn easter bunny. NO SHIT why should the Government care about any individual? Big Picture blah blah blah. Yes Bush does have the balls to stand behind his decisions. that "crock of shit" list is full of names of people who didnt change their public opinion untill their was a liberall outcry against the war. What could Bush possibly do besides what he did? Become the Barber who fucks up and says "ok, little problem here but lemme see what i can do to even it out...." And what would your grand solution have been to a dictator that the UN habitually refused to show consiquenses for his refusal to cooperate? Why don't we just revert back to a willy nilly League of Nations then and let anyone with power use it how they see fit. Hey, think of all the wonderfull things that came from WWII, frozen foods, penicilin, M'n'M's. Think of all the wonders that WWIII could bring us! Because that's the middle eastern mentality John, an Enemy of My enemy is my friend. That's why the politics and resulting wars are so fucked up over there, very similiar climate to the precursor's of the first world war. Imagine World war with nuclear terrorists. These are all possible results of minding their own damn business. The UN is ineffective, so sombody has got to do somthing.
As for "roping up all the niggers spicks and gays..." What point are you even trying to get across by using every god damn buzzword you know?
You sound like a defeated, bitter manaeromatic500July 30 2004, 00:37:35 UTC
Let's try to get out of the childish name calling and taunts and stay focused, I want to prove you wrong but I'm not going to stay hostile with you because that solves nothing.
Bush is not using the strength of his convictions to stand up for what he believes in, he is not acting selflessly in a noble and venerable cause, he is being a stubborn, thick-headed ignorant fool. He is ignoring all factual evidence, he is ignoring his people, his congressmen and the senate, he is going over the heads of the UN (AKA THE REST OF THE WORLD) and simply trying to fulfill some vain, greedy plot to protect the monetary interests of the rich home and abroad. If admitting that you lied and that you were wrong makes you a pussy, then I am a pussy. And I would much rather be a coward and a pussy than lead people to their deaths under false pretenses. How are the people who've changed their minds since they've seen the real facts being unreasonable? It seems to me that they're just doing what any normal person would do. And calling the outcry against the war a purely liberal one is simply untrue.
Rick, before you start saying that you know about the Middle East, maybe you should spend some time there. You don't know how they think. Stop claiming to be an expert on Middle Eastern politics. People are the same, everywhere, we hate being treated poorly, plain and simple. If they are ALL really like that, they sound surprisingly like the southern hicks in our own country, those futile defeatists who believe in an eye for an eye and that might makes right. Those are some of the most short-sighted, inhumane people in the world, and they are a malignant, cancerous growth on whatever country they call home. The UN's goal (or stated goal) is to prevent a catastrophe like another world war, and since the UN is comprised of all the participating nations in the world, it is a safe bet that it represents the sane majority of the planet. Those who do not participate, as well as those who simply ignore it, represent a hateful, spiteful minority that simply does not care about anyone else. Saying the UN is ineffective after you support someone who just ignores it is laughable. Bush is not the smartest man alive, the best leader the world has to offer, so why put the world's fate in the hands of a man who's own people do not even respect him? Which barber would you prefer, the one who says "oops, let me try to fix that" or the one who goes "fuck you, you deserved it anyways. In fact, I'm doing you a favor."
When I was talking about the racists I was referring to Bush and his home state, and those aren't buzzwords. I'm trying to show you how little Bush cares for anyone who is even remotely different from him, why not just toss all those damn towel heads into jail where they belong? These are the actual sentiments of a frighteningly large portion of America. I for one do not agree. Killing is NEVER an option, murder is NEVER a solid course of action. I do not respect killers, on either side. I would rather support Gandhi than Hitler, I'd rather be a pussy than a murderer. There are more ways to get your point across than simply killing the opposition, we've tried that, it's time to abandon that and try something else, say, diplomacy and debate. If that sounds childish to you, then I would hate to see how you view our zealous thirst for revenge, because it does not strike me as being logical.
You're another person saying that the Iraqi people are not fit to rule themselves, give it a fucking break Rick. So they'll probably have another dictator, ok, well that means all we did was waste a lot of precious human lives on both sides of the conflict. That's pretty much how most of the people see how this will end regardless. Most of the people in the WORLD are appalled by what we're doing, flaunting around our military strength like we have a mandate from God Himself about who and what is right and wrong. We don't, we never have, we're murderers and liars, and you love every second of it. Why stop at Iraq? What about all the other dictators that we KNOW are committing acts of genocide and torturing their people? How come we're not moving in to oust them and give their people freedom? Probably because their countries are not sitting on top of giant oil reserves which we could also liberate. I wonder how you can call our leaders more compassionate and honorable then some hypothetical dictator type who has yet to even make an appearance. Bush? Compassionate? What about cutting humanitarian aid worldwide, AND for his own people? Bush ran for office calling himself a "Compassionate Conservative." Obviously he needs a dictionary, because I doubt Webster would call slashing funds for schools and hospitals to make more room in the budget for bombs and caskets 'compassionate,' and any idiot can tell you that a HUGE deficit is clearly not the sign of a 'conservative.'
Get a map out, check where Iraq is, what else is there? Iran, for one, and government leaders are already starting to make the same accusations against Iran that they did against Iraq (this will go over well I'm sure, because most Americans are too fucking stupid to understand that they are different places). But what else do you see? What natural body of water exists between the two, along with our allies the Saudis? And what other places would possessing this natural staging area allow us to attack? Keep in mind the increasing hostilities to China and North Korea. A hand is above you, palm facing downward, fingers out stretched. Things are moving in a sinister direction whether you choose to believe it or not.
It's so easy for people to talk about atrocities. We see clips of it on Fox News every night, reveling in the orgiastic splendor of it all. Yes, the Iraqis (as well as many other people world wide) use beheadings as a way of getting their point across. People crash planes into buildings, wiping out thousands in a single day. Cars and people are rigged with explosives, maiming and killing whoever is unlucky enough to be in the area. Smart bombs crash through buildings, daisy cutters split mountain tops, artillery smashes through mosques, vaporizing anyone in the blast radius. I don't recall anyone being particularly upset when a US missile strike targeted an Iraqi wedding. Oops! Our bad! At least you're getting an interim government! There will ALWAYS be atrocities when people are treated as cattle, which is exactly what we're doing, to ourselves and to others.
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P.S. That list is a crock, a complete crock. We've been lied to, of course you'll find people supporting the war before they have valid information and haven't seen the bodies piling up. If you want to continue being a complete wank, why not find a list of how many people supported the US actions in Afghanistan (hey, remember that place?! Who was that guy we were looking for again, you know, the guy responsible for the world trade center attacks? What?! WE FUNDED HIM DURING THE 80'S?!?!?!), and later Iraq. I'm sure it was a majority, and why? BECAUSE WE WERE LIED TO. What's worse is that nearly 70% of the intelligence community called the information we had falsified, blown out of proportion, or simply misleading, yet our infallible leader, Mr. George W. Bush, decided to go with the 30% and didn't bother to tell anyone else that most of his own informers said he was wrong. So yes, stop jerking off every time your hindsight finds someone being lied to, it happened to all of us.
P.P.S. And one more thing, THE BALLS TO STAND BEHIND HIS DECISIONS? How about the BALLS to admit he was wrong, how about the BALLS to apologize to the hundreds and hundreds of American GI's that he's had killed for NO REASON. How about the BALLS to say that his Christian beliefs do not allow him to willingly hurt another human being? They sure stand in the way of people wanting to show their love to the world, those Godless Sodomites that make up nearly 10% of our nation! Tell you what, why don't we just rope up all the niggers, spicks and gays, send them all into concentration camps. We'll keep the jews around because they're good with numbers. Then we can color our nuclear weapons red white and blue, shoot them off all over the world (I've got the worst blue balls for mass homicide) and have a big fucking party while the only people not affected by the blasts and subsequent fallout are those in NORAD. We can rename ourselves the United States of Texas, GOD BLESS AMERICA.
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And what would your grand solution have been to a dictator that the UN habitually refused to show consiquenses for his refusal to cooperate? Why don't we just revert back to a willy nilly League of Nations then and let anyone with power use it how they see fit. Hey, think of all the wonderfull things that came from WWII, frozen foods, penicilin, M'n'M's. Think of all the wonders that WWIII could bring us!
Because that's the middle eastern mentality John, an Enemy of My enemy is my friend. That's why the politics and resulting wars are so fucked up over there, very similiar climate to the precursor's of the first world war. Imagine World war with nuclear terrorists.
These are all possible results of minding their own damn business. The UN is ineffective, so sombody has got to do somthing.
As for "roping up all the niggers spicks and gays..."
What point are you even trying to get across by using every god damn buzzword you know?
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Bush is not using the strength of his convictions to stand up for what he believes in, he is not acting selflessly in a noble and venerable cause, he is being a stubborn, thick-headed ignorant fool. He is ignoring all factual evidence, he is ignoring his people, his congressmen and the senate, he is going over the heads of the UN (AKA THE REST OF THE WORLD) and simply trying to fulfill some vain, greedy plot to protect the monetary interests of the rich home and abroad. If admitting that you lied and that you were wrong makes you a pussy, then I am a pussy. And I would much rather be a coward and a pussy than lead people to their deaths under false pretenses. How are the people who've changed their minds since they've seen the real facts being unreasonable? It seems to me that they're just doing what any normal person would do. And calling the outcry against the war a purely liberal one is simply untrue.
Rick, before you start saying that you know about the Middle East, maybe you should spend some time there. You don't know how they think. Stop claiming to be an expert on Middle Eastern politics. People are the same, everywhere, we hate being treated poorly, plain and simple. If they are ALL really like that, they sound surprisingly like the southern hicks in our own country, those futile defeatists who believe in an eye for an eye and that might makes right. Those are some of the most short-sighted, inhumane people in the world, and they are a malignant, cancerous growth on whatever country they call home. The UN's goal (or stated goal) is to prevent a catastrophe like another world war, and since the UN is comprised of all the participating nations in the world, it is a safe bet that it represents the sane majority of the planet. Those who do not participate, as well as those who simply ignore it, represent a hateful, spiteful minority that simply does not care about anyone else. Saying the UN is ineffective after you support someone who just ignores it is laughable. Bush is not the smartest man alive, the best leader the world has to offer, so why put the world's fate in the hands of a man who's own people do not even respect him? Which barber would you prefer, the one who says "oops, let me try to fix that" or the one who goes "fuck you, you deserved it anyways. In fact, I'm doing you a favor."
When I was talking about the racists I was referring to Bush and his home state, and those aren't buzzwords. I'm trying to show you how little Bush cares for anyone who is even remotely different from him, why not just toss all those damn towel heads into jail where they belong? These are the actual sentiments of a frighteningly large portion of America. I for one do not agree. Killing is NEVER an option, murder is NEVER a solid course of action. I do not respect killers, on either side. I would rather support Gandhi than Hitler, I'd rather be a pussy than a murderer. There are more ways to get your point across than simply killing the opposition, we've tried that, it's time to abandon that and try something else, say, diplomacy and debate. If that sounds childish to you, then I would hate to see how you view our zealous thirst for revenge, because it does not strike me as being logical.
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