Is college worth it?

Nov 23, 2009 15:26

A discussion of the value of the undergrad degree on Talk of the Nation, for those who are interested.

repeat posts, academia-in-the-media

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cheez_ball November 23 2009, 21:04:58 UTC
Didn't we already discuss this topic? Like around the time it was originally published in 2008?

And in my field (microbiology), it's still the case that you can't even apply for an entry-level job without a Bachelor of Science.

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poldyb November 23 2009, 21:12:55 UTC
Didn't we already discuss this topic? Like around the time it was originally published in 2008?

I think we have been discussing this topic since college was opened up to the middle class.

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cheez_ball November 23 2009, 21:19:18 UTC
Heh. True, but the actual article in question looked mightily familiar. I found it....

Gee, can you tell I spend Monday's catching up on email? :-P

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enders_shadow November 23 2009, 21:40:46 UTC
I wonder what the discussion is like where college is open to all, even the lower class. (ie. places where college charge 2K not 20K per year)

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poldyb November 23 2009, 21:44:33 UTC
I paid less than 2,000 a year, but the UC system back then was pretty cheap for California residents.

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Way back in the day.... enders_shadow November 23 2009, 21:47:20 UTC
Well, sure, 2,000 a year in 1911 dollars is a lot! ;)

And yes, with scholarships and FASFA and in NY there's TAP, students *can* go to college on the cheap--but only some, not all.

I wonder what % of HS want to go to college but can't due to $$
Or if they go anyway and just accrue massive debts via loans

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Re: Way back in the day.... enders_shadow November 23 2009, 23:08:27 UTC
"...ago that is cost that...."

Fingers are quicker than the brain!
And according to NYC subways, 1$ in 1986 = 1.89$ in 2008

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Re: Way back in the day.... enders_shadow November 23 2009, 23:11:42 UTC
lol

Halloween is over....isn't it?

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Re: Way back in the day.... enders_shadow November 23 2009, 23:14:59 UTC
Fair enough. But are you teaching him/her latin while doing this too?! :)

I'm sure you're plenty busy;

~Namaste

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cheez_ball November 23 2009, 21:51:00 UTC
This was how things were supposed to be done in California. However with over $10,000 in fees, they missed the point. :-/

Is there really any place where college is truly open to all? When I started at my undergrad state school, tuition was under $1000 a semester. That didn't include fees, books, room, board, etc. There were/are need-based scholarships, but would someone from a disadvantaged neighborhood really be able to afford attending, even with assistance? Would their HS prepare them for the tests necessary to qualify for the scholarships and grants?

Honestly, my family wasn't able to afford college until we joined the military a generation ago.

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enders_shadow November 23 2009, 21:56:02 UTC
"Is there really any place where college is truly open to all?"

Aren't there some European countries that provide college at 0 cost to the student? or is that just bullcrap propagated by the liberal media? (or my faulty memory, I'm unsure)

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cheez_ball November 23 2009, 22:09:26 UTC
There are "tuition free" colleges, however they're not necessarily truly free or open to all. http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/nov2007/pi20071113_819956.htm  Of course there are also the US Military Academies. But admission is definitely not open to everyone who applies.

Some countries do not charge tuition to residents. However that doesn't mean all residents will be allowed to go, particularly for free. This goes back to who is actually prepared for admissions tests and college.

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bibliofilen November 23 2009, 22:13:14 UTC
We do in Sweden:

http://www.internationalgraduate.net/universities_sweden.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Sweden

It's still uncertain if it's worth it however. The wage gap isn't as large in Sweden as in some other countries and the loss of income while studying isn't necessarily made up by the higher wage you might hope for. Certainly not in the humanities. You'd have to do it for the joy of learning.

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