Does order exist?

[igferatu]

A stupid question perhaps, but only because the term can be applied to literally any pattern we can recognize, subjectively or objectively. Even chaos is a but a kind of order. Order itself however, can be seen as a category in need of no larger context context. In consideration of it's universality, it's curious that we can discuss it at all. How

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[poisongirlxv]

I think good questions to answer before embarking on all the other questions you pose is: where did 'order' come from? When did we begin to use 'order' as the model for explaining how things 'work'? What did we use prior to the 'order' model? That is, if we did use any other concept besides order to explain how properties and elements function. I wouldn't know. I don't have the time to read into all of this. If we did use something else, then it'd be interesting to know how did we shift from perspective a. to perspective b. which has become the dominant lenses to explain away at everything.

My point in all of this, is that certain models or issues never existed prior to us 'finding' or discovering that model. Order would have never 'existed' in our discourse in the first place without 1. our brain being structured to perceive patterns and organizations. 2. a general consensus in the scientific community (and other institutions) to adopt the concept of 'order'. 3. And I suppose the person(s) who came up with 'order'.

For all we know, this 'underlying order' we speak of may just be another inaccuracy in the way our brains interprets. It is in my opinion that the problems that come up have little to do with something objective out there being too complex to explain, and more to do with details in our models we create that become insufficient overtime as we progress.

[igferatu]

You make a good point about the model we use giving rise to the questions or problems we have, and in a roundabout way it relates to what I'm thinking of.

In this case, I'm not really using 'order' as a model so much as just an umbrella term for the intelligibility of the cosmos. I'm saying that the universe has to make sense before our brains can evolve to make human sense of it.

The recognition of the limits of models is a good starting point if we consider the human organism a kind of model itself. It's perceptions and endeavors all fall under the set of all things human and therefore incapable of getting beyond it's own ontological bias.