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Oct 08, 2010 00:53

I prefer sins to threats of floods of Biblical proportions.  Sinning--if you believe in sin outside of the context of curses--is part of being human.  Even if you don't believe in the concept of sin, we're still inescapably flawed creatures that allow our base instincts to overwhelm our social conditioning.

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yesimagenius October 8 2010, 20:08:24 UTC
Sin is a moral and behavioral issue related to society. Instilling the belief that something is wrong or bad shapes a society's behavior. Did you know many of the 'sins' and laws in the old testament were more about health concerns than anything considered 'wrong'.

Not that I think we should dismiss the idea that things like murder and abuse are wrong. It's just...I don't believe in the biblical sort of sin. We create our own Hell here.

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absinthe_eyed October 8 2010, 22:21:45 UTC
I don't know if it's an issue so much as an idea that's become too firmly rooted in Western society to do away with. I agree with you, though... ethical debates aside, there are things that most of us can call evil and consequential punishments--physical, emotional.

I didn't know that about sins, no. I do know that some of them are ridiculous.

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yes_imagenius October 9 2010, 04:32:46 UTC
Exactly. And for the most part it works to society's advantage. There's no reason to try and do away with it. It won't get rid of fanatics who use sin to commit evil acts.

I found it interesting. It's certainly takes the morality out of things.

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absinthe_eyed October 9 2010, 04:56:24 UTC
Religion is the framework that Western civilization was built on... sin was the fear keeping people--sane people--in place. Ideally, I think, we would be better off without religion and sin and ideas of eternal torment, but it does work.

Or at least reminds us that morals are largely matters of convention.

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yes_imagenius October 9 2010, 05:55:29 UTC
Ideally, yes but we'd have to have some other form of behavior modification in place.

Oh yes and that's more obvious as you look at how they change from culture to culture and even over time within a society.

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absinthe_eyed October 9 2010, 20:50:53 UTC
That's one of the difficulties in the City... there is no common societal experience. Many laws and rules are similar between worlds, but the differences cause more trouble than you might imagine. What might be condemned in one world--stealing, for example--might be acceptable in another.

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yes_imagenius October 9 2010, 23:51:27 UTC
And adapting a justice system to this world and then getting them to follow it...difficult to say the least.

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absinthe_eyed October 10 2010, 00:36:10 UTC
Add the deities to that...

The police force is criticized for not establishing a justice system and a set of laws, but no one seems to realize how difficult and impractical that would be.

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yes_imagenius October 10 2010, 04:21:00 UTC
And apparently the deities like the chaos because they haven't instituted one.

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absinthe_eyed October 10 2010, 04:23:13 UTC
They thrive on chaos. If we were organized enough to put a system into place, they'd find a way to destroy it.

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yes_imagenius October 11 2010, 19:52:48 UTC
There's got to be some way to gain control over our lives here.

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absinthe_eyed October 11 2010, 20:09:47 UTC
We have as much control here as we do anywhere else.

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