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napoleoncheese September 23 2012, 16:15:53 UTC
Devil's Asylum (the Grant-written one shot tie-in) was good. It didn't even demand you to know the first thing about the crossover, since even Neron's appearance can be explained as a hallucination. Although the villain's reasoning on why he would get Batman's soul for something that was exclusively his own fault was full of holes (Leaving even one person to die automatically damns your soul forever, even if it's to save several more? Huh?)

I think Charaxes would have worked if that had made the bestial form something Moth could have changed back and forth into, to give him a physical boost.

A thing I liked about Neron, though, was he always found a way to screw with those who took his deals, almost always giving them some sort on horrible side effect. A truly nasty fellow.

I didn't like Joker's bit with the cigars, actually, because it wasn't just crazy, which would have worked fine, but it was crazy AND stupid. Joker isn't the kind of guy to leave chances of getting something big and harmful get away. I like to think he'd have asked for something over the top ridiculous, but still very deadly and useful. Lots of writers seem to mistake 'he's crazy' with 'he's dumb'.

Also, don't knock the rapping thugs off. They were so silly they were awesome. And the lady gets bonus points for being able to walk around Freeze in nothing but her underwear, a jacket and boots.

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lego_joker September 23 2012, 16:42:40 UTC
Maybe the Joker was undergoing one of his sporadic attacks of patriotism? American supervillains don't take handouts! (Even in Emperor Joker, he technically "earned" his powers through conning Mxyzptlk).

Either that, or he was Genre Savvy enough to know that Neron would screw him over if he asked for anything big.

Or maybe he's just lying his ass off, and Neron actually gave him something totally different. Hell, he might've not asked for anything in the first place, and just joined Neron on a whim.

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napoleoncheese September 23 2012, 16:47:34 UTC
Well, his list in Last Laugh seems to indicate he DID make a deal with Neron.

I heard there was a fanfic where his inability to die no matter what happens to him was actually something he got out of a deal with the Devil, which I think could have worked in continuity if they hadn't touched upon it too regularly.

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psychopathicus September 24 2012, 00:56:21 UTC
If he was being all that patriotic, he wouldn't have asked for Cuban cigars.
My personal impression was that the Joker took the whole 'selling your soul' thing with the same level of seriousness he takes everything else - i.e, none at all. He has, of course, eagerly accepted world-altering powers on more than one occasion, but Neron clearly wasn't offering those, so he wasn't interested. Didn't mean he didn't want to join in the fun, though, so - cigars! Why not?

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