Terminology, revisited.

Feb 07, 2009 12:16

I know a terminology debate has had to have been done before, but let's revisit this ( Read more... )

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nemo_wistar February 15 2009, 17:12:54 UTC
"Anti-abortion" makes much more sense than anything else, since the majority of these "pro life" groups also oppose practical sex education and access to birth control. These policies lead to the increase of STDs, unwanted pregnancies, and abortions ... hardly a position that promotes "life", only ignorance and control. (Planned parenthood, OTOH, supports sex ed, BC, and other real pro-life practices ( ... )

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cutout18 February 15 2009, 22:32:05 UTC
(I've already heard the argument of, "Well, I advocate sex ed, and I'm pro-life!!" Great. Then you have a lot of work to do to change the minds of people who supposedly speak for your side in the political arena.)

I speak for myself, you speak for yourself. More importantly, I don't tell you who actually speaks for you, as that would be greatly strawmanning people.

These pro-health pro-lifers would have a much easier time if the de-facto categorization from people who say things like you do is that they were under the crazy-umbrella. You make it just as hard as Pat Robertson for sex-ed pro-life advocates by not acknowledging the schism in the movement.

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cutout18 February 15 2009, 22:35:11 UTC
*wasn't that they were under

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nemo_wistar February 15 2009, 23:49:39 UTC
While we're on the topic of strawmen and "speaking for yourself", I never said pro-lifers were crazy, nor am I putting them under one umbrella; I only said that opposing abortion, sex ed, and BC was not a true "pro life" position.

As I said before ... many (not all ... many) of the politically influential and self-proclaimed "pro life" groups out there (or just evangelical christian groups) either actively oppose or simply say nothing about either birth control or sex education. There are obviously those that don't, but they don't get much attention nor do they appear to have the same resources as their more extreme counterparts.

That's why I talked about the majority of pro life groups, and that they supposedly speak for you. I'm sure they don't ... so that's why I think you need to work harder to get your voices heard by a politically influential organization.

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cutout18 February 16 2009, 00:44:25 UTC
You are marginalizing the group of pro-lifers who believe in good sex-ed ( ... )

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katiedarling February 16 2009, 00:20:02 UTC
I would call this group pro-prevention, anti-abortion.

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