OotP Chapter 32 - Out of the Fire

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Harry rushes out of the exam to the infirmary, looking for professor McGonagall, but she's been trasferred to St. Mungos. The next step is to grab Ron and Hermione, inform them of Sirius alleged capture, override any attempts at rational thought or common sense on their parts, and start planning

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[anonymous]

Really, the Order itself is to blame for having absolutely no system in place to deal with crises around Harry

Yeah, it seems that they just keep trusting that things will go well, even when there are a lot of reasons to expect troubles. I mean after Umbridge attacked Hagrid and McGonagall, she might have gone after Harry even if all of this never happened. What were they thinking when they did nothing to assure his safety? Dumbledore really gets to me. While he sacrifised Harry's childhood, happines and emotional well being for what he claim was stronger protection, he keeps putting him in danger by either indifference or neglagence. Honestly, I don't think should even want to become a member in the order, what have they even done? We only know on two tasks they were doing-keep Harry safe and keep the prophecy safe. They failed at both. The death eaters manage to get into the department of mystery, Harry had to protect himself against the dementors, keeping important information from Harry ended in a tragedy and there's wasn't anyone for Harry when he needed it. I honestly think that everything they risked by going against the ministry in forming the order wasn't worth it. They gained nothing.

[cadesama]

Oh, man, I wouldn't want to be in the Order either. They're thoroughly disorganized and incompetent. They're almost worst than useless. I wouldn't want to be with the DEs 'cause they're just about as bad (and, uh, evil). From what I can tell, the goblins are the smartest ones around. Independent from the corrupt political forces of the WW, supposedly oppressed, and yet the most powerful force in the WW since they have complete financial control. The goblins rock, and I'd be on their team if they'd take me.

I honestly think that everything they risked by going against the ministry in forming the order wasn't worth it. They gained nothing.

The only thing I can see of value in the Order as it currently stands, is that they've managed to ferret out who is too loyal to Fudge to be useful in the war. It'll be a lot easier to get the right people into power once he's ousted because of that. But yeah, I hope the next Minister is an ally of the Order, not a puppet, because I think the Ministry could do more good independently. The Order, if it's going to continue, might do well as a Special Ops sort of organization -- but if they want to do that, they should look into training operatives and creating ranks. This wishy-washy civilian resistance doing quasi-military operations that are kinda under the command of a general stuff has got to go.

[anonymous]

The only thing I can see of value in the Order as it currently stands, is that they've managed to ferret out who is too loyal to Fudge to be useful in the war. It'll be a lot easier to get the right people into power once he's ousted because of that.

I'm not sure that being too loyal to Dumbledore is much better. Dumbledore may not be as corrupted and stupid as Fudge, but the fact that people in the order just did what ever Dumbledore said is best, without thinking for themselves was just as damaging. We know what it did to Harry.
I don't think that the order will change. Dumbledore seem very persistent in not learning from his mistakes and never changing his ways. One thing certainly hasn't change - they still do nothing to help Harry. I just can't believe that no one thought it was important to be there for him after Sirius died. No one came to talk to him, to comfort him, to just be with him. They just leave him alone again, like last summer. Sometime I honestlty think they are beyond hope. (Did Mrs Weasley honestly believed Harry when he said he was fine????)

[cadesama]

Well, there are also the people like Amelia Bones who didn't join up in the Order, but ended up making it pretty clear that they aren't among Fudge's toadies. Those are more the people I mean than actual Dumbledore loyalists.

I really don't like the way the adults left things with Harry, either. They all do seem inclined to make big gestures like those make up for everything, but not do the simple day-to-day relationship/bonding with Harry that could actually make a difference in his life.

However, a while ago I had a revelation that gives me hope about the summer for HBP. We know that JKR is using the opening that she originally tried to use for the first and second books, which features some form of James and Lily's death. Given that the previous device Rowling has used to allow an alternate POV in the introduction was a dream of Harry's in GoF, I'm thinking she'll do it again. Which means that Harry might be getting tortured by Voldemort through his dreams -- which would require immediate attention and Occlumency lessons over the summer. Or! He's viewing the memory in a Pensieve, already in the midst of such lessons. So, there's a very good chance that things will be considerably different for Harry.