OotP Chapter 22 - St. Mango's Hospital for Magical Maladies and injuries

Jun 23, 2005 21:45

St. Mango's Hospital for Magical Maladies and injuries ( Read more... )

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cadesama June 24 2005, 02:26:14 UTC
So, if the Order has a better method of communicating than fireplaces, why does McGonagall just use that here? Surely it's better than walking to Dumbledore's office. For that matter, why don't Order members have something that sends out a distress signal?

I'm fairly weirded by how portraits work. Can they only move between exact replicas, or any portrait that features them? Since Phineas's other portrait is blank, wouldn't that mean that their essence is only captured once?

Does "in essence divided" refer to Voldemort's essence being separate from Nagini's, proving that it's a possession, or Voldemort's being separate from Harry's? And, if it's the latter, how can they be in essence divided when their destinies and life forces are clearly linked?

Why is an unauthorized Portkey not a problem now, even though it would have been for Hagrid's trip to the giants, or to bring Harry to number 12?

Hee. I love Phineas.

How can Umbridge know? No Dark Detectors would notice something that small, she doesn't have allies in Gryffindor Tower, and patrols shouldn't be enough to know. Is one of the ghosts allied with her?

Hmm, the way Sirius says Harry doesn't have anything to worry about "steadily" makes it sound to me like he's saying it by rote, trying to believe it himself, and doesn't have another answer to offer anyway.

Tonks's comments indicate that the Order at large isn't aware of Harry's connection to Voldemort, which means they've been withholding information just because he's "too young", or because they blindly trust Dumbledore's orders. That kind of consolidation of information directly results, not only in Harry's uninformed actions, but in calling the prophecy a weapon, and Moody's speculation on Harry being possessed.

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mione1977 June 24 2005, 02:58:40 UTC
How can Umbridge know?

While in Dumbledore's office, Phineas had to be reminded that his loyalties were with the current Headmaster of the school. So, it wouldn't be such a long-shot to consider the fact that Umbridge might have some informants in the portraits, whether they were actually the ones in Dumbledore's office, or others throughout the castle.

Tonks's comments indicate that the Order at large isn't aware of Harry's connection to Voldemort, which means they've been withholding information just because he's "too young", or because they blindly trust Dumbledore's orders.

My money is on the Order blindly (?) trusting Dumbledore's orders. Tonks was astonished when she heard about Harry's dream, and wanted to know more about it. If she was fully aware of Harry's "situation," then I don't think she would have reacted that way.

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cadesama June 24 2005, 03:09:23 UTC
Ahh, other portraits. Yes, I suppose some of them might have allied with Umbridge, or wouldn't know not to trust her (like Sir Cadagon).

I think it's a bit of a combination of why they follow Dumbledore's orders. Sirius is the only Order member we've ever seen overtly disobey, and he didn't even do much in the way of that. No one ever questions his orders, or complains. But, I think it's not hard to imagine that the Order really does think of Harry as just a kid, in large part because Harry's deeds at Hogwarts haven't been publicized in the slightest. Many Order members probably think that Harry's adventures, pre-GoF, are overblown children's games, and don't understand how capable Harry, Ron and Hermione actually are. I see little indication that Dumbledore would have done anything to disabuse them of this notion.

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house_elf_44 June 24 2005, 05:11:47 UTC
How can Umbridge know? No Dark Detectors would notice something that small, she doesn't have allies in Gryffindor Tower, and patrols shouldn't be enough to know. Is one of the ghosts allied with her?

When McGonagall, Harry and Ron were on the way to Dumbledore's office, McGonagall shooed Mrs. Norris. I bet she trotted off to tell Flich or Umbridge - just like she did when Filch tried to intercept Harry's mail. I think they need to stun that cat when they see her. Oh, a good reason for Filch to want no magic in the halls!

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cadesama June 24 2005, 05:43:49 UTC
Right, I forgot about that. It's a good reason to fire Filch, as well. And that's before he's given permission to torture students. Snape I get, but why is Filch even there? He pretty clearly hates all students, probably hates his job, is unfit to be around students, and isn't even an asset to the Order. Is it just pity on Dumbledore's part?

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house_elf_44 June 24 2005, 06:02:23 UTC
Is it just pity on Dumbledore's part?

That's all I can see. And if DD insisted he allow some magic in the halls, like clean your muddy or wet feet, his job could be so much easier, and he could be much less cranky. With 100 house elves, he's not really even needed, is he? What does he do that a house elf or a head of house wouldn't take care of?

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cadesama June 24 2005, 06:22:45 UTC
Well, it's not like the no magic in the halls rule is even enforced, but if they were actually required to use magic to clean up, there'd be no need for him at all. Not that there's much now -- house elves, like you say. And, when you think about it, it probably takes more effort to keep him there than it would to kick him out. He's a Squib, and Hogwarts is meant to be non-magical people. Unless there's actually a difference between Squibs and Muggles (which I don't believe), they actually had to put magic on him to allow him to see Hogwarts. Does the WW try to keep Squibs from leaving it for some reason? Are they considered a security risk?

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muggle_prof June 24 2005, 19:23:09 UTC
I'm fairly weirded by how portraits work. Can they only move between exact replicas, or any portrait that features them? Since Phineas's other portrait is blank, wouldn't that mean that their essence is only captured once?
I had the same questions.

Dumbledore tells Everard to "make sure [Arthur] is found by the right people" and what's Everard's sure-fire method to make sure of that? He yells until someone comes to see what he's yelling about. Now that excellent plan has just one flaw -- what if the wrong people had come first?

How can Umbridge know?

Definitely, Mrs. Norris told Filch. I would love to have seen the scene where McGonnagall tries to cut her off at the pass, however.

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cadesama June 24 2005, 23:58:38 UTC
Now that excellent plan has just one flaw -- what if the wrong people had come first?

And that's actually more likely than not, now that I think on it, given the dearth of allies they have at the Ministry. While Arthur's actually a Ministry employee, I still think it's lucky he didn't end up in Azkaban like Podmore.

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