0081. Traditions.

Dec 03, 2010 00:48

[Of course he sounds preoccupied! He's so used to talking to himself, or to another physically present person, that he's nearly forgotten how to use this thing. The mutterings are accompanied by fumblings and tinkles and rustles and dings and bonks.]You know, it's escaped my mind often enough until Cissie brought it up earlier that Earth is very ( Read more... )

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grand_lotus December 3 2010, 21:02:33 UTC
It is something of a novelty for me, to see so many people anticipating the coldest days of the year. Winter was a rather...solemn time in my homeland.

May I ask how your people celebrate, Doctor?

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a_bit_put_upon December 3 2010, 21:22:51 UTC
Winter, or the distant cycle, is often a solemn time for most civilisations. It tends to be regarded as the death before rebirth, or the fall before renewal... I'm sure you catch my drift. Many of Earth's larger civilisations don't like to dwell on such topics, however, and prefer to festoon their winters with festivities and bright colours. It rather confuses me, seeing the way they treat the deaths of their fellows in comparison.

On Gallifrey, we celebrate Otherstide not for a turn of season, but in honour of... one of our most esteemed historical figures. And it seems we do it simply to vex ourselves: we strew things about in a great mess and then dance on them, and if we haven't done it in a self-cleaning chamber, we spend weeks looking for all of it again. That's probably why I prefer Christmas, actually.

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grand_lotus December 3 2010, 21:29:19 UTC
I have done a little reading into the larger festivals, but...well, it is a different thing to see it coming to life. Winter for my people is the time of our greatest weakness - we tended to spend it watching our borders for raiders from the Water Tribes. It was engaging, I will say that much, but...not exactly festive.

Your Otherstide, though, sounds fascinating. That sound I heard was your strewing?

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WATCH IN AWE AS I MAKE UP STUFF THAT HAS PROBABLY BEEN DISPROVEN ELSEWHERE. a_bit_put_upon December 3 2010, 23:04:48 UTC
I shouldn't think it would be. How did it denote weakness? Were your people simply ill-suited to the cold, or was there another factor?

It was, in fact. More popular variants of our language, as are most facets of our lives, are based on polygons, derivative numeric patterns, and ordering it all into shape: namely, circles. There are little discs in a range of colours that we place, preferably haphazardly, around the area of our festivities to remind us that even in chaos, motes of order and pattern exist and shape themselves accordingly, as was discovered by the founding fathers of Time Lord society.

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I'M AWED. and I imagine Iroh's filled in Five by now on the full genocidey historical context here. grand_lotus December 3 2010, 23:17:57 UTC
Creating chaos to celebrate order. That seems a sort of celebration well matched to you, Doctor.

Ill-suited to the cold, yes, and in more ways than one. Firebenders draw much of their power from the sun, so that the outcome of a battle might be thrown were it to be fought on a short, cold day in midwinter. As a result, well...we tended to spend most winters waiting for them to be over.

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So much historical strife! D: a_bit_put_upon December 4 2010, 04:52:51 UTC
Oh, you could say it was quite well matched to me indeed. [He almost sounds like he's smiling! But let's not get into boring Time Lord history. Someday, THAT secret might come out, but not today.]

But I see. Any winter would be harsh in that sort of situation; I assume yours were the only powers with that limitation, or battle would have been quit at sundown. Were there events or celebrations in your life there that weren't somehow connected to war?

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NEVER EXPLAINED: Why firebending at night is A-OK but during an eclipse isn't. grand_lotus December 4 2010, 15:07:44 UTC
[Curioser and curioser, sir. :| We'll get the boring Time Lord history yet.]

Some, although the March of Civilization swallowed up our culture so completely that it touched all of our festivities. Long ago, we had celebrated the impassioned strength of our nation, and its unity with the other nations, and everything that we could offer to the world...by the time I was born, that had been forgotten. The only thing we celebrated was our superiority.

[He sounds sad about that, but then pauses for thought and perks up.]

There was one, though, that survived about intact. Our national flower - wait one moment -

[Thirty seconds later, he switches on the video function. He has a botanical book open to the camera, showing a painting of a single Fire Lily.]

These flowers blossomed for only a few weeks of the year, in late summer. The Fire Lily festivals were, I believe, the only times when nature was a thing to be honoured and celebrated. They were the only time it was thought of as safe, to draw inspiration from anything but

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I love those mysteries! It's like the "ALL TIME LORDS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DRIVE" thing. a_bit_put_upon December 5 2010, 23:02:17 UTC
[He regards the painting with interest, though he forgets to turn on his own video in the meantime.]

Interesting... so your people found safety in something transient, yet symbolic. I wonder where the connection is... [He trails off a moment, lost in a private revelation, before he ends the train of thought with a faint "hmm" and continues.]

D'you think your folk, and the others of your world, will ever come to a higher ideal, and reach for the unity they once shared?

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Wasn't that explained by 'you need six people to work a TARDIS'? grand_lotus December 5 2010, 23:25:15 UTC
Now that the war is over? Yes, I do. It will be an uphill journey for years, maybe generations to come...and my people will have countless reparations to make. But eventually those wounds will heal; they must, if our world is to thrive.

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Nope! That gem was River going 'Lol, the TARDIS noise is because he leaves the brake on.' a_bit_put_upon December 5 2010, 23:30:01 UTC
[The ache in his tone gives away his sincerity, even if he knows he can't actually go and do anything about it.]

I'd... I'd like to help.

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Counterpoint: River Song can go die in a fire. :c grand_lotus December 5 2010, 23:48:35 UTC
The hardest part is over. The war was ended without any more needless bloodshed, and now an honourable, compassionate man sits on the throne of the Fire Nation. I have every faith that he, and the Avatar, will help the four nations to help themselves out of the terrible conflict they inherited from their forebears.

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AGREED. Shortest debate ever. a_bit_put_upon December 6 2010, 00:28:25 UTC
[And now, Iroh, you've unwittingly given him the only present he always wants, however often he's gotten it before: the tangible potential of world peace, no matter what world it is.]

A man like yourself, I hope. D'you plan to go back there?

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Re: AGREED. Shortest debate ever. grand_lotus December 6 2010, 12:35:50 UTC
I do. I have arranged things with the Admiral so that the time I pass here will not be felt at home, and...well, I intend to enjoy my retirement.

...and I'm sure my nephew will be quite bewildered by how much I have missed him, after an absence he has no knowledge of.

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