Oh, I know. It's like, I always knew that at some point they would end up putting LP together, but I didn't think that they would literally rip apart the beautiful foundation they laid for the BL relationship in order to get there. That's what I find so callous and unforgivable. Nor did I ever think that certain scenes in S4 would be written in such a way, as to say that other similar scenes that had happened in the previous season hadn't meant anything at all, because it was just an act and Brooke was just a stepping stone for Lucas to walk across in order to make it to the other side where Peyton was standing.
It did feel sort of OCC as far as Peyton was concerned as well, especially given the relationship that she had had with Jake, who I feel was personally the better guy for her anyway. It was the more healthy relationship for her. Oh no, I understand the bitterness, because I was for a really long time myself. And sometimes, in some ways regarding some things, I maybe might still be a little bit.
It also sort of pissed me off that Peyton would take Brooke's words, "I guess I stopped missing him," and twist them around to use to her advantage. Yeah, way to go there, friend. Love and light, right?! Love and light.
I really kind of adored Lucas in S3, because he was very adamant in how he felt about Brooke and he was almost doing the same thing sort of thing she was doing with him in S1, where's she's all "just do your thing and I'll do mine," and he's doing the same thing as far as this whole "non-exclusive" sort of relationship goes. I don't know if they did that on purpose or not, but there's the parallel.
Are you kidding me?! Words cannot even describe how much I resented the whole, "I didn't even have feelings for you," line that he used. Ugh. Just ugh, Luke. It was a low blow, but then again I guess that's what he was aiming for anyway.
I remember when he called Peyton "Pretty Girl," for the first time. Man, my blood pressure shot scary high that night. Never had I ever felt as disrespected (being a BL fan) than I was then. LP already had enough stuff, without Mark having to take everything that made the BL relationship so special and unique.
I so loved the Destiny shot and I love even more that when he was first asked that question, he responded with Brooke. And it was later in the season, that he changed his mind. So, in essence, Peyton was his second choice. lol. But yeah, I've seen several LP fans tell me that Lucas was never in love with Brooke, that he just thought he was and he was projecting all of the feelings that he had for Peyton onto Brooke and that it really meant nothing because when he's with Brooke he was really wanting to be with Peyton.
I love Sophia Bush, she's definitely one of the most stunning and talented individuals I've ever seen. I love her for the life that she breaths into Brooke and for making her appear so real and tangible and so relateable. She's incredibly fantastic.
OMG! I hated the fact that they went through that whole pregnancy thing again and tried to make Brooke out to be a liar. Anyone in their right mind, would realize that it was more to do with Nathan/Haley than it was BL. So, I totally agree with everything you've said.
Me too, that's part of what makes Brooke Davis so damn amazing. :)
Haha, no no. Don't be sorry, I love rambling on about BL, Brooke, Sophia, etc. :)
It did feel sort of OCC as far as Peyton was concerned as well, especially given the relationship that she had had with Jake, who I feel was personally the better guy for her anyway. It was the more healthy relationship for her. Yes, this. What I hate about Leyton is that they ruined not one, but two relationships that I love. Jake and Peyton were so great together. He brought her fun, happy side, just like Brooke did with Lucas. Plus, she really did look like Jenny's mom. In that airport scene, where she goes to see him in Savannah, they looked like a family. Also, she said 'no' to Lucas's proposal but she was willing to give up her life to stay with Jake. Jeyton > Pucas.
I hate that Peyton demanded Brooke proclaim her love for her own boyfriend and acted all bitchy when she didn't. Major fail, writers.
I so loved the Destiny shot and I love even more that when he was first asked that question, he responded with Brooke. And it was later in the season, that he changed his mind. So, in essence, Peyton was his second choice. lol That's basically how I see it. He didn't even think twice before responding with 'Brooke'. There were so many things that went wrong with Brucas in s4 and it wasn't their fault. Like on Brooke's birthday, she never knew that he went to the store to fight for her; all she saw was Lucas and Peyton hanging out.
But yeah, I've seen several LP fans tell me that Lucas was never in love with Brooke, that he just thought he was and he was projecting all of the feelings that he had for Peyton onto Brooke and that it really meant nothing because when he's with Brooke he was really wanting to be with Peyton. Are they crazy? That's just the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I suppose they think that Peyton never loved Jake either? And Lucas probably didn't love Lindsey too. What morons. It was obvious that when he was with Brooke, he only wanted to be with Brooke. He had chances in s2/s3 to go after Peyton and he wasn't interested then. The only reason he (re)developed feelings for Peyton was because (IMO) Brooke was no longer available.
OMG! I hated the fact that they went through that whole pregnancy thing again and tried to make Brooke out to be a liar. Anyone in their right mind, would realize that it was more to do with Nathan/Haley than it was BL. So, I totally agree with everything you've said. After all that time, you'd think Lucas would learn to trust Brooke. However, I like that Brooke would rather take the fall and Lucas's anger than betray Haley. One of the best parts in s3 was their relationship and how their friendship developed. It was so cute. "Tigger and Tutor Girl." :D
When it comes to my ships, I swear, I can ramble on forever. Even my best friend in real life thinks Brucas was much more better than Leyton. My sister too. The people I know have good taste. ;)
Yes, this. What I hate about Leyton is that they ruined not one, but two relationships that I love.
Again, this. Because Jake and Peyton were simply amazing and when you add Jenny into the equation, they become even more adorable. Finally, Peyton could have had the family and the life that she'd always wanted. But, I suppose part of the reason the writer's chose to do things differently, was because the actor who played Jake had another gig on October Roads or wasn't going to be available.
Honestly, I think that Jake was the one that Peyton was truly in love with, the one that she would have dropped everything to do be with. I mean, she practically did when she got on a plane to go see him in Savannah. That was pretty much her destiny shot, right there.
Also, she said 'no' to Lucas's proposal but she was willing to give up her life to stay with Jake.
Exactly.
I hate that Peyton demanded Brooke proclaim her love for her own boyfriend and acted all bitchy when she didn't.
Because really, what point was she trying to make?! That because Brooke wasn't jumping up and down and making a damn fool of herself, she didn't love Lucas when all of her actions, all of her hurt, all of her anger, and all of her sadness didn't already scream it? Stupid writer's are stupid.
There were so many things that went wrong with Brucas in s4 and it wasn't their fault. Like on Brooke's birthday, she never knew that he went to the store to fight for her; all she saw was Lucas and Peyton hanging out.
Really, this. And to see that, it only served to hurt her more and then she shut down and pulled away further. It's not that Brooke didn't want to be with Lucas, because I think everything inside of her was dying inside but she knew that fighting and pushing and trying so hard was just killing her inside, ya know. Like maybe her spirit or her spark of fire was just dying and she felt like she was fighting a battle but would never win the war, so she was the one to give up instead of getting her heart broken again.
I always said that if Brooke would have possibly fought for Lucas - to be with him - the way that he had fought to be with her in S3 that the two of them would still be together and happy.
Are they crazy? That's just the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I suppose they think that Peyton never loved Jake either? And Lucas probably didn't love Lindsey too. What morons. It was obvious that when he was with Brooke, he only wanted to be with Brooke. He had chances in s2/s3 to go after Peyton and he wasn't interested then. The only reason he (re)developed feelings for Peyton was because (IMO) Brooke was no longer available.
Pretty much all of this, I've come across some pretty damn delusional LP'ers who are staunchly adamant that Lucas never loved Brooke, that Peyton never loved Jake, and that Lindsey didn't mean anything at all. That she was just a re-bound, the way that Julian was for Peyton. And ya know what, the more I watch of S6 with the Julian/Peyton flashbacks - if she couldn't be with Jake and I didn't want her with Lucas - I would have loved for her to be with Julian. I could have shipped that.
Yes, definitely. Peyton was his second choice, because he couldn't be with Brooke because she wouldn't be with him. This is Brooke, she gave up being with Lucas and fighting to be with him, so that he and Peyton could be together because she knew it would make Peyton happy and she loved them both so much she could be that selfless. And it just irritates me to no end that LP'ers act like Brooke is the most selfish person ever. Like she can't do the right thing, ever.
After all that time, you'd think Lucas would learn to trust Brooke. However, I like that Brooke would rather take the fall and Lucas's anger than betray Haley. One of the best parts in s3 was their relationship and how their friendship developed. It was so cute. "Tigger and Tutor Girl." :D
OMG! Words cannot describe how much I love the BH friendship, seriously. Those two were just so amazing and so much better than PH, given how Peyton treated Haley all through the better part of S3 when Brooke was the only one besides Lucas that would forgive her and give her a chance again.
And I'm with you, I would rather Brooke not betray Haley either. Her heart was in the right place, totally.
Me, too. And that's why I've enjoyed our comment tags myself. Hee, yes they do have good taste. :)
It did feel sort of OCC as far as Peyton was concerned as well, especially given the relationship that she had had with Jake, who I feel was personally the better guy for her anyway. It was the more healthy relationship for her. Oh no, I understand the bitterness, because I was for a really long time myself. And sometimes, in some ways regarding some things, I maybe might still be a little bit.
It also sort of pissed me off that Peyton would take Brooke's words, "I guess I stopped missing him," and twist them around to use to her advantage. Yeah, way to go there, friend. Love and light, right?! Love and light.
I really kind of adored Lucas in S3, because he was very adamant in how he felt about Brooke and he was almost doing the same thing sort of thing she was doing with him in S1, where's she's all "just do your thing and I'll do mine," and he's doing the same thing as far as this whole "non-exclusive" sort of relationship goes. I don't know if they did that on purpose or not, but there's the parallel.
Are you kidding me?! Words cannot even describe how much I resented the whole, "I didn't even have feelings for you," line that he used. Ugh. Just ugh, Luke. It was a low blow, but then again I guess that's what he was aiming for anyway.
I remember when he called Peyton "Pretty Girl," for the first time. Man, my blood pressure shot scary high that night. Never had I ever felt as disrespected (being a BL fan) than I was then. LP already had enough stuff, without Mark having to take everything that made the BL relationship so special and unique.
I so loved the Destiny shot and I love even more that when he was first asked that question, he responded with Brooke. And it was later in the season, that he changed his mind. So, in essence, Peyton was his second choice. lol. But yeah, I've seen several LP fans tell me that Lucas was never in love with Brooke, that he just thought he was and he was projecting all of the feelings that he had for Peyton onto Brooke and that it really meant nothing because when he's with Brooke he was really wanting to be with Peyton.
I love Sophia Bush, she's definitely one of the most stunning and talented individuals I've ever seen. I love her for the life that she breaths into Brooke and for making her appear so real and tangible and so relateable. She's incredibly fantastic.
OMG! I hated the fact that they went through that whole pregnancy thing again and tried to make Brooke out to be a liar. Anyone in their right mind, would realize that it was more to do with Nathan/Haley than it was BL. So, I totally agree with everything you've said.
Me too, that's part of what makes Brooke Davis so damn amazing. :)
Haha, no no. Don't be sorry, I love rambling on about BL, Brooke, Sophia, etc. :)
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Yes, this. What I hate about Leyton is that they ruined not one, but two relationships that I love. Jake and Peyton were so great together. He brought her fun, happy side, just like Brooke did with Lucas. Plus, she really did look like Jenny's mom. In that airport scene, where she goes to see him in Savannah, they looked like a family. Also, she said 'no' to Lucas's proposal but she was willing to give up her life to stay with Jake. Jeyton > Pucas.
I hate that Peyton demanded Brooke proclaim her love for her own boyfriend and acted all bitchy when she didn't. Major fail, writers.
I so loved the Destiny shot and I love even more that when he was first asked that question, he responded with Brooke. And it was later in the season, that he changed his mind. So, in essence, Peyton was his second choice. lol
That's basically how I see it. He didn't even think twice before responding with 'Brooke'. There were so many things that went wrong with Brucas in s4 and it wasn't their fault. Like on Brooke's birthday, she never knew that he went to the store to fight for her; all she saw was Lucas and Peyton hanging out.
But yeah, I've seen several LP fans tell me that Lucas was never in love with Brooke, that he just thought he was and he was projecting all of the feelings that he had for Peyton onto Brooke and that it really meant nothing because when he's with Brooke he was really wanting to be with Peyton.
Are they crazy? That's just the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I suppose they think that Peyton never loved Jake either? And Lucas probably didn't love Lindsey too. What morons. It was obvious that when he was with Brooke, he only wanted to be with Brooke. He had chances in s2/s3 to go after Peyton and he wasn't interested then. The only reason he (re)developed feelings for Peyton was because (IMO) Brooke was no longer available.
OMG! I hated the fact that they went through that whole pregnancy thing again and tried to make Brooke out to be a liar. Anyone in their right mind, would realize that it was more to do with Nathan/Haley than it was BL. So, I totally agree with everything you've said.
After all that time, you'd think Lucas would learn to trust Brooke. However, I like that Brooke would rather take the fall and Lucas's anger than betray Haley. One of the best parts in s3 was their relationship and how their friendship developed. It was so cute. "Tigger and Tutor Girl." :D
When it comes to my ships, I swear, I can ramble on forever. Even my best friend in real life thinks Brucas was much more better than Leyton. My sister too. The people I know have good taste. ;)
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Again, this. Because Jake and Peyton were simply amazing and when you add Jenny into the equation, they become even more adorable. Finally, Peyton could have had the family and the life that she'd always wanted. But, I suppose part of the reason the writer's chose to do things differently, was because the actor who played Jake had another gig on October Roads or wasn't going to be available.
Honestly, I think that Jake was the one that Peyton was truly in love with, the one that she would have dropped everything to do be with. I mean, she practically did when she got on a plane to go see him in Savannah. That was pretty much her destiny shot, right there.
Also, she said 'no' to Lucas's proposal but she was willing to give up her life to stay with Jake.
Exactly.
I hate that Peyton demanded Brooke proclaim her love for her own boyfriend and acted all bitchy when she didn't.
Because really, what point was she trying to make?! That because Brooke wasn't jumping up and down and making a damn fool of herself, she didn't love Lucas when all of her actions, all of her hurt, all of her anger, and all of her sadness didn't already scream it? Stupid writer's are stupid.
There were so many things that went wrong with Brucas in s4 and it wasn't their fault. Like on Brooke's birthday, she never knew that he went to the store to fight for her; all she saw was Lucas and Peyton hanging out.
Really, this. And to see that, it only served to hurt her more and then she shut down and pulled away further. It's not that Brooke didn't want to be with Lucas, because I think everything inside of her was dying inside but she knew that fighting and pushing and trying so hard was just killing her inside, ya know. Like maybe her spirit or her spark of fire was just dying and she felt like she was fighting a battle but would never win the war, so she was the one to give up instead of getting her heart broken again.
I always said that if Brooke would have possibly fought for Lucas - to be with him - the way that he had fought to be with her in S3 that the two of them would still be together and happy.
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Pretty much all of this, I've come across some pretty damn delusional LP'ers who are staunchly adamant that Lucas never loved Brooke, that Peyton never loved Jake, and that Lindsey didn't mean anything at all. That she was just a re-bound, the way that Julian was for Peyton. And ya know what, the more I watch of S6 with the Julian/Peyton flashbacks - if she couldn't be with Jake and I didn't want her with Lucas - I would have loved for her to be with Julian. I could have shipped that.
Yes, definitely. Peyton was his second choice, because he couldn't be with Brooke because she wouldn't be with him. This is Brooke, she gave up being with Lucas and fighting to be with him, so that he and Peyton could be together because she knew it would make Peyton happy and she loved them both so much she could be that selfless. And it just irritates me to no end that LP'ers act like Brooke is the most selfish person ever. Like she can't do the right thing, ever.
After all that time, you'd think Lucas would learn to trust Brooke. However, I like that Brooke would rather take the fall and Lucas's anger than betray Haley. One of the best parts in s3 was their relationship and how their friendship developed. It was so cute. "Tigger and Tutor Girl." :D
OMG! Words cannot describe how much I love the BH friendship, seriously. Those two were just so amazing and so much better than PH, given how Peyton treated Haley all through the better part of S3 when Brooke was the only one besides Lucas that would forgive her and give her a chance again.
And I'm with you, I would rather Brooke not betray Haley either. Her heart was in the right place, totally.
Me, too. And that's why I've enjoyed our comment tags myself. Hee, yes they do have good taste. :)
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