Yeah like... IDK I'm pretty determined I'm not going to let Steven Moffat of all people ruin the Doctor Who that I loved, despite his best efforts. And I can do mental gymnastics to ignore the bullshit he's given me and I can use all my strongest Doylism to know that that was never the case, that it was always Eight who fought and ended the Time War for real and Nine and Ten's characters were a result of that, not this John Hurt cup-a-soup bullshit. But that the 50th gives me not something to celebrate and feel happy about but rather something I have to actively work against in order to simply enjoy the show that I've always enjoyed is... pathetic.
Elizabeth, god. I mean, I was glad that Ten wasn't uncharacteristically in love with her, and that his romance with her was him exploring a mystery and investigating... but also Moffat literally wrote a segment where Ten points out how OOC Elizabeth is behaving, only to have it confirmed that really IS Elizabeth. And even after Ten is disinterested, insults her, et cetera, she's still gaga about him, still forces him to marry her, and still kisses him multiple times when he his obviously not into it? Wtf.
Doylism? And yeah IDEK what the cup-of-soup thing was all about...some things I missed because people were talking, some because they probably didn't make much sense to begin with. Ultimately I'm glad I just watched at home.
In terms of Elizabeth, I had always felt like that line in EoT (as cringe-worthy as it was) was part of the "Ten has really gone over the edge and doesn't give a fuck anymore somebody help" characterization at that time, so I could rationalize it away...so I guess having him only be investigating is better, but by making this episode all about that, they firmly place this episode in the post-WoM-and-pre-EoT period, when he was really...not in that frame of mind in this episode. Another continuity issue. *sigh* And yeah, I mean Ten should have known she would have had bad teeth and breath because 16th century hi no dental hygiene but yeah, way to be meta about your OOC writing!
Doylism as in Doylist vs Watsonian (terms coming from Sherlock Holmes -- ACD vs John Watson), it's just a way of saying I can't tune out real-world influencing factors when I watch fiction, especially TV. So like watching RTD's era, I know RTD didn't write it with this big retcon reset in mind, so I know that all those bits -- "the killer of his own kind", etc -- were written with their intended meaning. I don't feel the need to bend over backwards to make the author's stuff make sense where it doesn't.
Yeah I always got that vibe from EOT Ten as well. So like, I guess I don't mind that he wasn't genuinely romancing her but was investigating what he thought was an alien threat... but then... it turns out she was actually into him, too, and wasn't the least bit put off by his disinterest or his insults or anything. She made me cringe pretty hard.
Elizabeth, god. I mean, I was glad that Ten wasn't uncharacteristically in love with her, and that his romance with her was him exploring a mystery and investigating... but also Moffat literally wrote a segment where Ten points out how OOC Elizabeth is behaving, only to have it confirmed that really IS Elizabeth. And even after Ten is disinterested, insults her, et cetera, she's still gaga about him, still forces him to marry her, and still kisses him multiple times when he his obviously not into it? Wtf.
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In terms of Elizabeth, I had always felt like that line in EoT (as cringe-worthy as it was) was part of the "Ten has really gone over the edge and doesn't give a fuck anymore somebody help" characterization at that time, so I could rationalize it away...so I guess having him only be investigating is better, but by making this episode all about that, they firmly place this episode in the post-WoM-and-pre-EoT period, when he was really...not in that frame of mind in this episode. Another continuity issue. *sigh* And yeah, I mean Ten should have known she would have had bad teeth and breath because 16th century hi no dental hygiene but yeah, way to be meta about your OOC writing!
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Yeah I always got that vibe from EOT Ten as well. So like, I guess I don't mind that he wasn't genuinely romancing her but was investigating what he thought was an alien threat... but then... it turns out she was actually into him, too, and wasn't the least bit put off by his disinterest or his insults or anything. She made me cringe pretty hard.
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