Advent Children rambling
So I saw the thing last night, WOW. Though typical of a Japanese anime, Advent Children was packed with trite, pretentious dialogues and trite, pretentious themes; the breath-takingly beautiful CG, Cloud, Sephiroth and various likeable minor characters more than made up for it! Now I know close to *nothing* about Final Fantasy VII settings, so I am
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I'm not much for redemption!fic over all
Redemption isn't a 'necessity' for me either, usually, but it would seem that without some sort of redemption on Sephiroth's part it's hard to have them come together (hee) in a convincing manner? How long were they er, on friendly terms before the whole Sephiroth-gone-berserk business?
I've seen some decent fic, but near all of them play into the idea that Cloud was in love with Sephiroth all through out the game and I don't really buy that
No, I don't think I want to buy a Cloud who could love someone who'd killed so many innocent people either! I could buy angsty, mixed feelings that would've been pure hatred had some total stranger done the same things, iow I could buy that because Sephiroth used to be Cloud's hero so it was somewhat different... But any more 'leeway' than that would be unthinkable??
Thanks for the recs, would check them out later :-)!!!
Post-AC:
Sephiroth: ...Okay, time for something new.
*ROFL*
But reeeeeally! The kid was kind of dense hun?
Sephiroth:... Though I thought he should've gotten the hint when I was all Mockety-Stabbing! *sigh*
Hey I noticed some little thing about Sephiroth, when he spoke the first word in a sentence, he often 'protruded' his head forward a bit, as if he were to kiss Cloud or something... Weird but rather endearing. Oh and, the man's hearing ability must be great! I mean in the end Cloud was whispering that he wanted Sephiroth to stay just in his memory, and Sephiroth responded to that... I am still not clear (more like, UTTERLY CONFUSED) about the form of existence of the Kadaj trio, and Sephiroth 'larvae' (eww?)- technically, will the man ever die? And can he still come back?
Oh and I saw in the AC community people point out the EWW factor of having sex with Sephiroth (with the Jenova cells in him and everything) (well isn't that what condoms are for?), but um, what about Cloud? Doesn't he carry the same yucky cells too 0_o? Sorry for bombarding you with all these weird idiotic questions, eh.
I dunno, maybe a forgive but never forget sort of situation?
Yes. Regardless though, I just... I just really want to see these two together, no never in a fluffy-and-sweet-and-characterization-be-damned way, but... They LOOK SO FXXKING GREAT TOGETHER<-- shallow!!! Maybe in a see-you-next-life-after-you've-paid-for-all-your-sins-in-hell way X-D?
I wanted to get it straight before I tried anything.
I know what you mean. I look forward to your eventual review though, must be awesome :-D!!!
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Ooh, I can sympathize with that... What's due?
How long were they er, on friendly terms before the whole Sephiroth-gone-berserk business?
It's an unanswered question, to be honest. We know that Cloud left home at 14 to go halfway around the world and try out for SOLDIER. We know he was back in Nimbleheim at 16, when everything went to hell. So, given time for travelling, it's really at most a year and a half that they could have known one another. And since Cloud didn't make it into SOLDIER, the interaction that they might have had is limited. The most realistic answer is that they only met on the one mission we see them on, but it's plausable that they'd gone on others as well. Sephiroth seemed at least curious about Cloud's return to his hometown, and since I can't see him bothering to ask personal questions of a random kid, it's possible they knew each other to some degree.
No, I don't think I want to buy a Cloud who could love someone who'd killed so many innocent people either!
Yeah... I'm not so much seeing that... But to play devil's advocate, if anyone could, it would be Cloud. Again, simply because he's gone through it and he knows what it's like. But I don't buy the "loved him through out the game" theory - if it were going to be good solid S/C, it would have to be post-game and dealing with all those issues.
Sephiroth:... Though I thought he should've gotten the hint when I was all Mockety-Stabbing! *sigh*
LOL!! Cloud's a bit oblivious, isn't he?
he often 'protruded' his head forward a bit, as if he were to kiss Cloud or something...
:D Yeah, I noticed that! It is endearing, in a Muraki sort of way. And honestly, kissing Cloud would likely have been the only thing that would have messed the poor boy up more, you know? As for him never dying, theoretically, so long as there are Jenova cells somewhere on the planet, he can find a way back. The ironic thing? The only person left confirmed to have Jenova cells is Cloud.
The SHT isn't well explained really... Kadaj calls himself and the others "spirits" or Remnants, which indicates he thinks they're spirits from Lifestream. Personally, I'm taking it as that they were just normal humans, experimented on like Cloud and the Black Cloaked Men we see in the game. If Kadaj says otherwise, well.. Unfortunately, with Jenova in his head, we don't and can't believe him.
I don't think the "eeew" factor of sex with either Cloud or Sephiroth is that big a deal, to be honest. Neither is entirely human anymore, on a DNA level, but there's no indication that they can't have sex with regular humans. *shrug* The game indicated that the Cetra and humans could crossbreed (and were the same species once), so why not with human-space alien crossbreeds? XD
And weird questions are fun! Never idiotic. :D
I just really want to see these two together, no never in a fluffy-and-sweet-and-characterization-be-damned way, but... They LOOK SO FXXKING GREAT TOGETHER<-- shallow!!!
YOU SEE MY PROBLEM!!!! I love the concept of S/C. I adore it. My inner fangirl squees over it like mad. I want to make it my OTP of the game but it's just... ARGH. It's my OTP that will never happen, honestly.
Thankfully those links I sent you earlier aren't fluffy. XD S/C fluff just doesn't work.
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Month-end report of doom -___-
Sephiroth seemed at least curious about Cloud's return to his hometown, and since I can't see him bothering to ask personal questions of a random kid, it's possible they knew each other to some degree.
Hmmmm... Do you think, that Sephiroth noticed him out of the vast non-SOLDIER crowd because Zack was being friendly with him? Though, heh, I really don't have any trouble thinking the reason Sephiroth was somewhat curious was because Cloud was simply beautiful :-P
And honestly, kissing Cloud would likely have been the only thing that would have messed the poor boy up more, you know?
Sure! But in a good way *g* The kid needs some Sephiroth loving, or more precisely, I need some Sephiroth-loving-Cloud, like BADLY, like NOW.
The ironic thing? The only person left confirmed to have Jenova cells is Cloud.
A plot bunny just hopped by, I think it said something along the line of Cloud, giving blood, and very much regreted it afterwards *g* Say, if Cloud has a child, would it be at all possible that he/she turns into Sephiroth???/crackthought>
I'm taking it as that they were just normal humans
So normal humans can dissolve into green sperm-like little bits at death in this universe o_0?
I don't think the "eeew" factor of sex with either Cloud or Sephiroth is that big a deal, to be honest.
Oh! Phew! Thanks! I happened to see a couple of posts expressing the EEEW factor so I was, a little 'concerned' (of my gradually apparent pervertness), since I didn't feel I should be bothered by the thought but other people seemed to ^^!
It's my OTP that will never happen, honestly.
Or, or it DOES happen. Just in an utterly non-conventional way. Platonic, even! They make me want to believe in reincarnation, at least in the FF-verse.
S/C fluff just doesn't work.
Definitely doesn't work *shudders at the thought of its wrongness*
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Urgh. I do mine on a weekly basis, so I get to avoid those.
Hmmmm... Do you think, that Sephiroth noticed him out of the vast non-SOLDIER crowd because Zack was being friendly with him? Though, heh, I really don't have any trouble thinking the reason Sephiroth was somewhat curious was because Cloud was simply beautiful :-P
I think Sephiroth noticed Cloud, if indeed he *did* notice Cloud, because of the boy's potential. Cloud at a low level isn't particularly powerful, but he becomes so and quickly. And his final limit break is something that Zack had been working on for ages; it's a fandom idea that Zack taught Cloud the Omnislash (really cool final move, a cut down version of it was used as the last set of strikes with the glowy swords and whathaveyou against Sephiroth in AC) but that doesn't make much sense, you know? Surely the people in charge of the experiments would nix the idea of giving the two swords and letting them practice..
But young!Cloud was beautiful and so perhaps Sephiroth was just a perv.
Sure! But in a good way *g* The kid needs some Sephiroth loving, or more precisely, I need some Sephiroth-loving-Cloud, like BADLY, like NOW.
XDXDXD And you are *not* the only one!
A plot bunny just hopped by, I think it said something along the line of Cloud, giving blood, and very much regreted it afterwards *g* Say, if Cloud has a child, would it be at all possible that he/she turns into Sephiroth???/crackthought>
Oh, the *angst*.
So normal humans can dissolve into green sperm-like little bits at death in this universe o_0?
*laughs* Not normally, but if they "become a part of lifestream" than sure. They did that in FFX too.
Or, or it DOES happen. Just in an utterly non-conventional way. Platonic, even! They make me want to believe in reincarnation, at least in the FF-verse.
I'd be all about some platonic Seph-Cloud interaction. I love watching or reading about the two conversing or fighting or anything really. Unfortunately, even that can be rather difficult to find..
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But do you mean before or after Cloud had surprised Sephiroth beside the Mako reactor with his strength? Because if it's after that incident then I think that was definitely the case! But I thought you were talking about before the whole Sephiroth-gone-berserk business in your original post? No?
Omnislash (really cool final move, a cut down version of it was used as the last set of strikes with the glowy swords and whathaveyou against Sephiroth in AC)
The cut down version was quite nice, I believe the complete version was even cooler right??? Sephiroth was all, "Shit, I'd forgotten about this." Couldn't you have figured out how to fight against the move in the lifestream, or at least learnt to not aggravate Cloud into using it on you, my silly, silly perv -__-;;;?
But young!Cloud was beautiful and so perhaps Sephiroth was just a perv.
Hee :-D
I'd be all about some platonic Seph-Cloud interaction. I love watching or reading about the two conversing or fighting or anything really. Unfortunately, even that can be rather difficult to find..
What a waste, what a waste! *shakes head sadly*
But Ginzai, can't you write one yourself *____*? I would really, really LOVE to read a S/C fic by you, knowing your takes on their characterizations and relationship!!!
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Oh, definately before. There's just something I keep trying to pin down with that sequence without turning Cloud into a Gary Stu. I keep runnng it over in my head, trying to get it to make sense, and failing utterly each time. Cloud definately caught Sephiroth's attention before the Reactor Incident, which is shown by Sephiroth actually asking personal questions of Cloud. And while that can be explained away by Cloud's extreme attractiveness, I tend to think that Sephiroth wouldn't be one to loose his head over a pretty face. Also, why was Cloud on this mission with two SOLDIERS? He's not needed for the guide work, because they called in Tifa for that. So why is this sixteen year old kid chosen to go work with the highest of the high?
What Cloud did in the reactor itself with the flinging whilst impaled bit shows that he had an amazing amount of potential even before he was Mako enfused. Is it possible he'd shown similar signs of this beforehand? And again, Zack had to have taught Cloud several of his special attacks before the reactor, and that Cloud who had at most a year's worth of time swordfighting (and was primarily a gun user at the time) was able to master them speaks volumes to me. Also, Cloud's first level limit break is a move used by SOLDIER Second Class in the game, so why is, again, this teenage recruit off using SOLDIER tactics?
So yeah, potential. And it inspires my thought that Cloud was turned down for the SOLDIER program not for any lack of skill, but because he was vastly underage.
The cut down version was quite nice, I believe the complete version was even cooler right??? Sephiroth was all, "Shit, I'd forgotten about this." Couldn't you have figured out how to fight against the move in the lifestream, or at least learnt to not aggravate Cloud into using it on you, my silly, silly perv -__-;;;?
*snirk* "Shit, I'd forgotten about this" is the best line ever. Much love for that.
See, and now I've got this post-AC mental image of Sephiroth going across Lifestream to shake tips on How To Seduce A Cloud from Aeris.
Aeris: Okay, so what did you learn?
Sephiroth: ...Chocolates first?
Aeris: *encouragingly* Good! And what then?
Sephiroth: Stabbity!
Aeris: ...We've got a ways to go. -_-;
What a waste, what a waste! *shakes head sadly*
But Ginzai, can't you write one yourself *____*? I would really, really LOVE to read a S/C fic by you, knowing your takes on their characterizations and relationship!!!
That's so nice of you! :)
My problem with writing FFVII is that, for prequel stuff, I tend to write Cloud as too perfect. -_-; He has problems, but I can't help but play into that potential. I've got 45 kb of such a fic on my laptop and it would mostly need to be rewritten because of just that. I do have a inter-game plot bunny though and I'd love to write a postgame fic, maybe even post-AC but I'm reluctant to take AC as official canon. Unfortunately, none of my plot ideas for after the game or movie are really strong enough to support a oneshot, much less anything large and fun.
Have you thought of writing anything? *curious*
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Eversince you pointed out the resemblance between Rufus and Cloud to me, I had been playing with the idea that Rufus was the reason Cloud was turned down out of, er, fatherly reasons. Though it wouldn't explain why Rufus never attempted to rescue Cloud from the horrible experiment Hojo was doing on him, unless he didn't know about it or... @_@? See I am already *assuming* Rufus=Cloud dad and basing crackpot theories on it ^^;;;
Otherwisely, yeah I reckon you are right, it would make sense genre-wise for Sephiroth to have noticed Cloud for his potential too!
Aeris: Okay, so what did you learn?
Sephiroth: ...Chocolates first?
Aeris: *encouragingly* Good! And what then?
Sephiroth: Stabbity!
Aeris: ...We've got a ways to go. -_-;
*ROFL*
Much, much love for mommy/relationship consultant/strategist Aeris!!! ( BTW I love how Kadaj was all "mommy, is that you???" when Aeris was speaking to him telepathically) "Sephiroth: Stabbity!"= love the psycho, his due stay in Lifestream Rehab is no where near the end yet :-D
My problem with writing FFVII is that, for prequel stuff, I tend to write Cloud as too perfect.
Perfect skill-wise or perfect-in-every-aspect perfect? Cause if it's the former it doesn't seem a problem to me :-P?
but I'm reluctant to take AC as official canon
But if Nomura was behind it, it would've made the movie canon right? Or no? I dunno...
And would you consider an AU? You know, with Cloud and Sephiroth's exact characterizations, but different circumstances... Or are you only interested in Cloud and Sephiroth strictly in FFVII? To me, they are perhaps the first coupling *ever* that I am interested in reading AU fics of- it's just way too hard to have them come together with either the game or AC setting. No not because of the whole good/evil/you fucking burnt down my fucking village ordeal, I just don't do dead character/living character stories because they tend to make no sense at all. Though I am completely okay with Cloud just thinking about Sephiroth, the lack of interaction (and smex!) is a pity, but it'll have to do.
Let's keep talking and hopefully a strong plot bunny will eventually invade your mind :-D
I will never write about something I do not have first hand knowledge of- and most importantly, I've written far too little in English (or any language, in fact) for any potential fic from me to be something to look forward to *g*
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As for Rufus himself knowing, somehow I doubt that he did. He probably knew Hojo was up to something, but I doubt that he knew the details or, if my theory is correct, had any idea that the kid involved was his brother. Rufus is cold, but he's got a twisted sort of honor to him. If he found out family was involved, I think he'd take action.
Much, much love for mommy/relationship consultant/strategist Aeris!!!
Poor Aeris!! I swear, that girl must be considering payment for psychological services by this point! It's somewhat ironic, I suppose, that the "last of her race and traumatically murdered" character would be the sanest of the lot. XD
And much love for Kadaj, though I adore Aeris' somewhat miffed "Everyone keeps calling me 'Mother!'" line to Cloud later on. XDXD
Perfect skill-wise or perfect-in-every-aspect perfect? Cause if it's the former it doesn't seem a problem to me :-P?
Perfect skill-wise, only not quite.. Because he wasn't all that powerful at the time, but argh. I don't know, but it just feels off to me. I tend to write Cloud as being very moody and hard on himself. I get the impression that when he's happy, he was the sweetest kid around but that he was almost always miserable. There's this sidestory thing that takes place between FFVII and AC that supports that thought, but I'm *really* not taking that as canon.
But if Nomura was behind it, it would've made the movie canon right? Or no? I dunno...
I'm reluctant to because it wasn't the original team and because some of the character changes are pretty intense.. Reno most of all, I'd say. In the game, Reno was this cool, bad-ass "take-no-names" almost assassin. The Turks did all of Shinra's dirty work, including kidnapping and murders, spying and all that good stuff. Reno was the most hands on of any of the Turks, and he actually was the one who destroyed Sector Seven, one of eight sectors in Midgar. Shinra had wanted to place the blame on Avalanche, because they were growing too popular, so it's not like Reno decided to do it.. But he's still the one who hit the button. His goofy antics in the movie were funny, but they don't really fit his game persona.
And would you consider an AU?
I'm quite interested in reading FFVII AUs. I actually like AUs a great deal, but I need them to be set up properly. I'd an idea for an AU of FFVII where Cloud's this kid from the poor end of town whose apartment complex burns down, killing everyone in it including his mother. So he's placed in foster care in the more upscale part of town, next door to the mayor's house, with this very odd family, where the mother is just a bit off and the silver-tressed son has a weird fascination with survivors.. And in causing situations for which survival is necessary...
But yeah, something about FFVII just screams out for AUs. It's as bad for them as Gundam Wing, really.
I will never write about something I do not have first hand knowledge of- and most importantly, I've written far too little in English (or any language, in fact) for any potential fic from me to be something to look forward to *g*
*g* I'm beginning to think I should just send you my PC copy of the game. XD In the meantime though, thanks for meta-ing with me. Much love have I for the meta!
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*bursts into a silent fit of laughter*
Okay, I did some more reading about the whole Shinra buisness, and realized just how my Rufus=Cloud-dad line of thought must've topped the chart for Most WTF thing ever said about FFVII X-DDD Sorry sorry, you shouldn't have had to read that crap X-DDD
Yeah you're absolutely right, Rufus just can't be old enough to father Cloud, and I agree their looking alike shouldn't be a mere coincidence- pretty boys many of the AC characters might be, they do manage to appear very distinguishable from one another most of the time!
Rufus is cold, but he's got a twisted sort of honor to him. If he found out family was involved, I think he'd take action.
Hey, sounds like the type of secondary villain I'd dig X-D
Poor Aeris!! I swear, that girl must be considering payment for psychological services by this point!
Which reminds me of a dialogue I saw somewhere, let me paraphrase:
Cloud: Mother! Sephiroth is throwing buildings at me!
Sephiroth: He started it!
Aeris: ... what have I told you two about calling me mother?
Hahaha, somehow I totally don't mind the idea of a Sephiroth/Cloud/Aeris threesome, Aeris does seem like the sort of (voice of sanity) person both Sephiroth and Cloud could seek comfort from. As for what she can get from these two borderline psychotics (in Sephiroth's case, maybe not so much borderline as 'full-out')? Well it's like the case with Zack, they are sort of doing charity works ;-P
And much love for Kadaj, though I adore Aeris' somewhat miffed "Everyone keeps calling me 'Mother!'" line to Cloud later on. XDXD
Love that she didn't deny it when Kadaj mistook her as mommy as well, it's like- yeah, whatever, as long as you get your sorry cute little ass back to Lifestream and stop trying to murder your brother Cloud X-D
There's this sidestory thing that takes place between FFVII and AC that supports that thought, but I'm *really* not taking that as canon.
I think AC itself also supports a moody Cloud who's hard on himself... Hey I really do not sense a Gary Stu!Cloud from you, from what you've said, so come on! Just show me what you wrote? Pretty please ^___^???
In the game, Reno was this cool, bad-ass "take-no-names" almost assassin.
Okay, that's soooooo NOT what I saw in AC and LO X-D Though I adore the goofy Reno, I can see why you are calling him OOC, from what I gathered about him from both fanon and informative sites wherein the Turks were brought up.
What about Cloud and Sephiroth though? Did their actions in AC appear consistent with their game-selves? Sephiroth, now come to think about it, behaved rather 'sane' to me- did it mean he was less under Jenova's influence now, or was it merely OOC? And Cloud, when he was falling after he'd taken a hit from Loz and Yazoo, he recalled a dialogue he seemed to have had with Aeris- was that bright, slightly naughty boy ever present in the game @_@?
I'm quite interested in reading FFVII AUs.
Oh yeah, turns out A Long Hard Road is an AU (I am now on chapter 8 and totally hooked!)- it features a Cloud who has loved Sephiroth since before the game, which I can't really see from what I've gathered so far but! The story still works very very well, considering every other aspect about the characters and the universe seems to be right on? (Please point out to me if anything isn't, for I wouldn't know :-P)
But strangely the more A Long Hard Road works for me, the more curious and obsessed I become about Sephiroth and Cloud's canon relationship--- will the pairing not work in a strictly canon setting? And I don't mean the smex... But was Sephiroth ever *important* enough, as a person instead of just an enemy, to Cloud? What I didn't like about LO was how Cloud was all 'WTF I used to worship you!', stabbed Sephiroth from behind and then just ran to Tifa's side and started the most inappropriately (considering the circumstances then) light-hearted sweet talk with her. Like... like it was soooooo easy to get over the fact his ex-idol did such horrible things, like it didn't matter that said ex-idol was probably now dead @_@?
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Hey, sounds like the type of secondary villain I'd dig X-D
He kind of reminds me of Draco, to be honest, if Draco were a bit more mature. He still does dirty, underhanded things, but they're logical dirty, underhanded things.
Which reminds me of a dialogue I saw somewhere, let me paraphrase:
*dies laughing* Poor Aeris!!
Hahaha, somehow I totally don't mind the idea of a Sephiroth/Cloud/Aeris threesome, Aeris does seem like the sort of (voice of sanity) person both Sephiroth and Cloud could seek comfort from.
Poor Aeris and poor Zack, honestly. Keeping Cloud and Sephiroth sane is more work than two dead people should have to put up with. XDXDXD
I think AC itself also supports a moody Cloud who's hard on himself... Hey I really do not sense a Gary Stu!Cloud from you, from what you've said, so come on! Just show me what you wrote? Pretty please ^___^???
I'll link you what I've got once I get home tonight. I haven't touched it in nearly a year, so it needs to be polished up before I post it anywhere. ^^;
Okay, that's soooooo NOT what I saw in AC and LO X-D
*g* Yeah, Reno was completely different. You occasionally got hints that he could be goofy, like when he started to pester Rude about who Rude liked and when he was far, far more concerned about getting drunk than capturing Cloud & co at one point in the game. (This is the Turks off duty... Getting smashed and gossiping!)
What about Cloud and Sephiroth though? Did their actions in AC appear consistent with their game-selves?
I thought Cloud was in character, if a bit more depressed than he was at the end of the game. The dialogue with Aeris I don't think was a flashback, if I'm remembering the right one. He actually did talk to Aeris during the movie, repeatedly even. Cloud's has this weird affinity with the Planet and Lifestream, so I just took it that Aeris was able to talk to him through that.
Sephiroth... He didn't seem terribly OOC to me, but like we've discussed, his goals seemed different. It's actually a bit interesting, since the last time the two got to really talk, Sephiroth was still doing his "you're just a clone, come to my my puppet" shpeal, and it's pretty obvious in AC that he's given up that tactic.
Oh yeah, turns out A Long Hard Road is an AU (I am now on chapter 8 and totally hooked!)
Yeah, ALHR is really good. Good enough that I can forgive the whole Loved-Sephiroth-Since-Evah thing. And yes, every other aspect of it really works for me. Twig does a great job, imho, of writing a war, and I like that the focus is for the most part on that, and not on the S/C. But then, I tend to like stories where the romance is incidental rather than the focus anyway..
the more curious and obsessed I become about Sephiroth and Cloud's canon relationship
LO changed that sequence. -_-; In the game, Tifa never woke up so she never knew Cloud was there. And honestly, it doesn't make any sense for her to have known, or she wouldn't have been all WTF!! when Cloud mentioned he'd been there when the town burnt down. In the game, Cloud does go to Tifa after he strikes Sephiroth, but only to move her to one side and make sure she isn't dead.
I don't know... I do see Sephiroth as being important to Cloud when he was younger, and thus by default, through and after the game. He did see Sephiroth as a hero, but that's because Sephiroth was a hero; he was Shinra's brightest star.
I can't help but think that Cloud did know Sephiroth, at least somewhat, before it all went south, and during that time any hero worship would have been replaced by honest respect, perhaps even admiration. But not love, or a blind willingness to follow. And given AC's showing of Cloud's forgiveness (perhaps, given how badly he himself wants to be forgiven he feels he can't deny that to anyone else?) I can see a carefully done post-game S/C. But it would take a lot of delicate work and I've yet to find a story that does it perfectly.
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Whereas Zack, a highly accomplished SOLDIER died because some Shinra-nobody shot at him, I see how subjective a matter dying is in this universe :-D
He kind of reminds me of Draco, to be honest, if Draco were a bit more mature.
Hahaha, he does??? Kadaj, reminds me of Draco. Even Nomura's descriptions of him reminds me of Draco- immature, cruel, but innocent. And don't forget the mother-complex, the love for dramatic effect, and the ordering sidekicks around like a big-o-queen :-P
I'll link you what I've got once I get home tonight. I haven't touched it in nearly a year, so it needs to be polished up before I post it anywhere.
Yayyyy ^___^ There are a lot of things to look forward to tonight *bg*
This is the Turks off duty... Getting smashed and gossiping!
Hee! I like how the three of them were depicted in ALHR, they remind me somewhat of the Schwarz gang in Weiss Kreuz, actually. There's a shadow of Schuldig to Reno, I guess that's why I took an instant liking of him since I adore Shuldig so much- if only AC Reno could've been much more effective, while keeping the goofyness!
The dialogue with Aeris I don't think was a flashback, if I'm remembering the right one. He actually did talk to Aeris during the movie, repeatedly even.
But he was so cheerful during that conversation! A direct contrast to his gloomy manner throughout AC... It's good to know that neither Cloud nor Sephiroth was acting particularly OOC in your eyes though :-)
But then, I tend to like stories where the romance is incidental rather than the focus anyway..
Oh, me too! I mean I like it when the romance (if done well, and is between two characters I am interested in) takes up a lot of page-space, but I don't want it to be the center point of the whole story, for the depth and interestingness of both the characters and the story usually decrease when romantic feelings one has for another is the only (or most important) thing that drive them forward.
In the game, Tifa never woke up so she never knew Cloud was there.
Wanna bet whoever was behind LO was a Cloud/Tifa shipper -_-;;?
He did see Sephiroth as a hero, but that's because Sephiroth was a hero; he was Shinra's brightest star.
IOW, Sephiroth wasn't any more a personal hero to Cloud than he was to tens of thousands of boys Cloud's age, perhaps?
and during that time any hero worship would have been replaced by honest respect, perhaps even admiration. But not love, or a blind willingness to follow.
Well he did say in LO that he used to admire Sephiroth (I'm torn between wanting and not wanting to quote LO as canon ^^::). But yes... he didn't seem to have a particularly strong feeling for Sephiroth to start with, the good thing is though, he didn't seem to have a particularly strong feeling for anyone else in the game from the beginning?
I can see a carefully done post-game S/C. But it would take a lot of delicate work and I've yet to find a story that does it perfectly.
As long as it can objectively be done, I can remain hopeful :-D
S/C isn't the first and I doubt will be the last fictional pairing I have not seen a perfect fanon depiction of anyway...
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Yeah, Zack's death is still a bit weird.. I want to warble about how Cloud took a hit to the chest and kept right on going, but Zack wasn't just shot the once. He was shot by multiple troops with trigger fingers and was literally riddled with bullets.
I did adore SE getting out of having Rufus explain how he survived by making Cloud keep interrupting him. XD
Hahaha, he does??? Kadaj, reminds me of Draco. Even Nomura's descriptions of him reminds me of Draco- immature, cruel, but innocent. And don't forget the mother-complex, the love for dramatic effect, and the ordering sidekicks around like a big-o-queen :-P
Oh, Kadaj reminds me of Draco in like, Goblet of Fire or even in OotP. I definately see the similarities, and not just in the silver hair! :D
Rufus is like what Draco could become, if he survives. Sir President is a little bit different in the game, because here you never see him playing with his hair, which he did all through the game, nor did you ever see him snarking at his subordinates, which he was fond of. Rufus had Draco's "tell it like it is" sort of insulting tone, which I adored.
Hee! I like how the three of them were depicted in ALHR, they remind me somewhat of the Schwarz gang in Weiss Kreuz, actually. There's a shadow of Schuldig to Reno, I guess that's why I took an instant liking of him since I adore Shuldig so much- if only AC Reno could've been much more effective, while keeping the goofyness!
ZOMG YES. The Turks = Schwarz! Reno is like Schuldig and I can draw comparisions between Tseng and Crawford. Unfortunately Rude and Elena don't really match up to Nagi and Farfello.
*snicker* Would that make Zack Youji, then? And Cloud Aya?
But he was so cheerful during that conversation! A direct contrast to his gloomy manner throughout AC... It's good to know that neither Cloud nor Sephiroth was acting particularly OOC in your eyes though :-)
Which conversation? I'm afraid I'm not remembering the right thing. :)
Wanna bet whoever was behind LO was a Cloud/Tifa shipper -_-;;?
Urgh. Whoever was behind LO wasn't a logical thinker, IMHO. If Tifa knew Cloud had been there, the entire course of the game would have changed.
IOW, Sephiroth wasn't any more a personal hero to Cloud than he was to tens of thousands of boys Cloud's age, perhaps?
I get that impression, yeah. But since they actually worked together, Cloud might have had more admiration than most. I just don't see it as a teen idol sort of "I don't know anything about you but you're so cooooool" sort of deal.
Well he did say in LO that he used to admire Sephiroth (I'm torn between wanting and not wanting to quote LO as canon ^^::). But yes... he didn't seem to have a particularly strong feeling for Sephiroth to start with, the good thing is though, he didn't seem to have a particularly strong feeling for anyone else in the game from the beginning?
I can accept admiration, really. Maaaybe even a slight crush, but it's so overdone that it frustrates me.
Cloud did have an unusual (for him) reaction to Sephiroth though, because right from the beginning he zings to Sephiroth's name and is all like "ZOMG, Sephiroth's alive!!" from within the first three hours of the 50 hour game. But then, that whole scene (this being where they invade Shinra to get Aeris back) is pretty neat from a meta point of view.
As long as it can objectively be done, I can remain hopeful :-D
S/C isn't the first and I doubt will be the last fictional pairing I have not seen a perfect fanon depiction of anyway...
XDXD Oh, good point. I think HP spoiled me, because it's relatively easy to find stories that fit my particular version of fanon. It's not half so easy in other fandoms!
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Oh, I can definitely see a potential post-HBP being like what you described up here! Draco certainly *is* a formidable force when he chooses to, and the "tell it like it is" attitude is one of the best Draco!feature in my eyes X-D
Reno is like Schuldig and I can draw comparisions between Tseng and Crawford. Unfortunately Rude and Elena don't really match up to Nagi and Farfello.
While I can *almost* draw a shaky parallel between Elena and Nagi, for they are both pretty, petite, and the most young-looking among the team. Rude and Farfello on the other hand... *bursts into laughter* Nah. Just nah.
*snicker* Would that make Zack Youji, then? And Cloud Aya?
It's a bit like that hun :-P
Which conversation? I'm afraid I'm not remembering the right thing. :)
Oh the bit where Cloud was calling Aerith mommy... I thought it was so different from Cloud's gloomy manner throughout AC, that that conversation must've taken place in the past (game)...
Maaaybe even a slight crush, but it's so overdone that it frustrates me.
Yeah... There is always at least a little of the crush factor at work in a hero-worship case, so that much can be allowed :-D
Cloud did have an unusual (for him) reaction to Sephiroth though, because right from the beginning he zings to Sephiroth's name and is all like "ZOMG, Sephiroth's alive!!" from within the first three hours of the 50 hour game.
What? You mean he was... excited that Sephiroth was still alive, or... @_@???
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*g* It would have to be post-HBP. Maybe it's less that Draco could grow up to be someone like Rufus and more that I reaaaally imagine Rufus was a teenager like Draco.
And yeah, me too on the Draco!feature love. His snarky lines to Hagrid automatically endeared my affection. Such love have I for the Draco.
While I can *almost* draw a shaky parallel between Elena and Nagi, for they are both pretty, petite, and the most young-looking among the team. Rude and Farfello on the other hand... *bursts into laughter* Nah. Just nah.
Oh, they've definately got the youngest, prettiest look going on. And Elena is infatuated with Tseng, and there are moutains of Crawford/Nagi doujinshi around. Would that count? XD
Oh the bit where Cloud was calling Aerith mommy... I thought it was so different from Cloud's gloomy manner throughout AC, that that conversation must've taken place in the past (game)...
Cloud tends to be a bit different when around Aeris. She really did bring out the best in him, (though depending on line options, you could be ruder to her than to anyone else in the game) but his calling her Mother really weirded me out.. -_-;
And nope, from what I can tell, that whole thing took place when Cloud was really injured, sort of a whataretheycalled, near death experience thingie. At least, that's how I took it when she said he had to go back. ^^ They didn't have a conversation like that intra-game.
Yeah... There is always at least a little of the crush factor at work in a hero-worship case, so that much can be allowed :-D
Well, yeah. XD Plus, I mean, he's Sephiroth. I can't deny the utter appeal of Sephiroth.
What? You mean he was... excited that Sephiroth was still alive, or... @_@???
Excited is one way of looking at it... But confused definately. More excitable, I suppose, because he didn't exactly seem thrilled, but he showed more emotion to that fact than to virtually anything else he had previously.
That whole bit though was all kinds of interesting, because Cloud & co had been imprisoned for breaking into the Shinra headquarters. Cloud wakes up in the middle of the night to find his door (and his door only) open, with a trail of blood and bodies leading from his cell door to where President Shinra's (this being Rufus' father) body was stabbed at his desk, by the Masamune.
So Sephiroth's (or Jenova, because the theories are reaaally still out on who was actually controlling the Sephiroth clone body at that point, since Sephiroth himself was still over ice at North Crater) interest in Cloud was shown at an extremely early point in the game, and it was actually Sephiroth who zinged to Cloud first.
Not that I've thought overly long about this or anything. XD
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! Oh, that's an interesting thought! (And you've succeeded at making the baggy-pant-wearing president very, very interesting in my eyes)
And Elena is infatuated with Tseng, and there are moutains of Crawford/Nagi doujinshi around. Would that count? XD
I took an instant liking of Tseng/Elena (btw there was a lil' of Tseng/Zack vibe in your fic, either that or your Zack is the sort who has chemistry with all living beings X-D) in AC and LO, I don't know why though. In WK, I ship Schdig/Nagi, partly due to a really wonderful S/N fic I read .
though depending on line options, you could be ruder to her than to anyone else in the game
Argh. I wonder what that was about. Probably to add to Cloud's later guilt when she got killed by Sephiroth?
They didn't have a conversation like that intra-game.
Oh okay 0.0... It's nice to know Cloud is capable of cheeky-ness though. Seriously, if he carries on moody and depressed like that, he'd get cancer before soon!
Well, yeah. XD Plus, I mean, he's Sephiroth. I can't deny the utter appeal of Sephiroth.
LOL.
Yup, it's Sephiroth, any rule concerning sexuality would have to bend somewhat around him :-P
Cloud wakes up in the middle of the night to find his door (and his door only) open, with a trail of blood and bodies leading from his cell door to where President Shinra's (this being Rufus' father) body was stabbed at his desk, by the Masamune.
Ohhhh, I know about this. Sephiroth, you tease. The whole thing could've done with better taste though, but any attempt to single out & lure Cloud by Sephiroth is alright in my book *g*
Not that I've thought overly long about this or anything. XD
If you say so, Ginzai, if you say so. *shifty eyes*
I am totally sticking to a S/C setting where Sephiroth makes the "first move" though, despite all the hero-worshipping on Cloud's part beforehand...
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I adore Rufus, I really do. He has his heart in the right place, sort of. In an overall, global perspective that would have everyone bowing to Shinra Company who owns everything in a sort of monopoly on EVERYTHING, but still, his heart's in the right place. And he tells the more annoying Shinra characters to shut up and make with the action, which endeared me to him right away.
I took an instant liking of Tseng/Elena (btw there was a lil' of Tseng/Zack vibe in your fic, either that or your Zack is the sort who has chemistry with all living beings X-D) in AC and LO, I don't know why though. In WK, I ship Schdig/Nagi, partly due to a really wonderful S/N fic I read .
Ooh, fic. I've only read the first chapter, but it really does make you think about S/N, which to be honest is a pairing I'd never really considered before. I love how poetic the writing is in that, and Schwartz fic tends to be really good. I tend to ship Schuldig and Aya, for the manga connection. Then again, I was introduced to WK through reading Jacque Koh and PL Nunn, both prolific Youji/Aya writers who dip occasionally into S/A. XD
Argh. I wonder what that was about. Probably to add to Cloud's later guilt when she got killed by Sephiroth?
Most of that's at the beginning of the game, when Cloud's supposed to be a jackass. Perhaps it's to show the cracking in his armor, as the fake personna he'd taken on falls under his actual self? By the time he starts to get his act together, he's always nice to her, with the exception of when Sephiroth is making him do stuff.
Oh okay 0.0... It's nice to know Cloud is capable of cheeky-ness though. Seriously, if he carries on moody and depressed like that, he'd get cancer before soon!
:D Cloud is definately capable of cheekiness. His snark tends to be of a lower key than others, but he's definately the ability to use it when needed!
Yup, it's Sephiroth, any rule concerning sexuality would have to bend somewhat around him :-P
XDXD I think Sephiroth is the character with the most fanboys who say they'd gladly have sex with him if given the opportunity. Sephiroth: bending sexual identities since 1997!
Ohhhh, I know about this. Sephiroth, you tease. The whole thing could've done with better taste though, but any attempt to single out & lure Cloud by Sephiroth is alright in my book *g*
I'd love to see more that deals with that moment, to be honest. Unfortunately, I've only seen one fic that does, by Madamhydra, and it's a bit too dark for me. -_-
I am totally sticking to a S/C setting where Sephiroth makes the "first move" though, despite all the hero-worshipping on Cloud's part beforehand...
S/C settings where Sephiroth makes the first move are totally my crack. XDXD
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