Oh Ronald…why do our discussions always snowball out of control? You write one line…I write two. I write two pages…you write an autobiography. =P Now I have to write a novel
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Re: Nope I actually read it today
anonymous
August 15 2006, 04:09:22 UTC
Are you such a bumbling idiot to think that the same party scene doesn’t exist on these campuses? Perhaps you believe gaming to be non-existent on these campuses. Check, its actually far worse at these schools than for Mercer. Students who fail classes there fail after being counseled, lectured, and talked to during the course of the semester. In all cases, teachers spend more time with troubled students in order to guide them through the rough spots. Why the tremendous difference? Well, they certainly pay a higher price to attend these schools than Mercer. Check, you’d be surprised how much or should I say, how little more they pay than we do. Them having great teachers (fuckers who want to teach) is probably the number one reason why they win at life. There, the teachers stress that every single student accepted to the school was thoroughly investigated and known to have the ability, now all they must do is put forth the effort. Heard this one before right? Teachers there panic when 20 fuckers fail out of their class and aim for 100% success rates. They report to their Deans when their failure rate is too damn high, fancy that. This is the REAL reason behind why employers snag up students from these schools NOT because they are necessarily smarter or better in any way than others. Surely someone who got accepted into Harvard or Yale was at the top of their game but if I sat them and you in a room together, the only difference I’d see is knowledge base and probably a slight deficit in your ability versus theirs. So in essence, teachers at lesser schools have to work harder and in turn, so will their students if they ever want to be like the Ivy leaguers. I won’t even ask you what our current system favors. I’ll just tell you that if Mercer had more “teachers” we could better imitate the performances of schools like Yale/Harvard and rise from the trap of mediocrity. Too bad most of their self-serving natures are overly dominant or even worse, they think like you do.
Re: Nope I actually read it today
anonymous
August 15 2006, 04:09:58 UTC
What would happen in my world? It’s pretty much a revamping of the entire system with emphasis placed on the learning process and teacher welfare. Well, first thing’s first, teachers, real honest to God teachers who LOVE their work would be in charge of every classroom. How do you create such people? Funneling tons of money into teaching makes it an attractive occupation to have because of incentives such as increased pay, benefits and an easier work environment. Hopefully you understand this much. All of their superiors would just be former teachers who have lived a fruitful life as a great and understanding teacher who has gained invaluable leadership qualities. Who better to tell a teacher how to teach than an older teacher? The goal of every fucking school will be to teach the willing. I will personally remove idiotic material (kids) from schools but eventually, systems will be put in place that removes them automatically and places them in other programs. If in time they change, the door is always open. If I’ve tried everything under the sun and you STILL don’t want to try? Fuck you, get out. Teachers will be noted for their work in the media as well as by the public. Parents will actually have to raise their children turning the nightmare that is teaching into a much more doable job. Teachers will finally begin to reap the benefits they deserve as they already do in so many other societies. Overtime, their pay will be increased and much of their benefits will increase. Their work environment will be as conducive as possible to learning and all they will have are the best human capital (willing children) to teach. Liability will shift over time to all parents for their children’s behavior and values. This will ensure that they either do their damn parts or quit bitching when their kid is learning how to paint pots. Trouble making kids will follow a different path, one that leads to some marketable skill or talent such as in trade schools. Everything will become far more detailed and yes, those lovely teachers who make 28k a year and yearn to be respected will finally get what they deserve. No more ignorant fuckers disturbing classes and making their days hell whether they are students or superiors. I fully believe that if someone invests enough time in someone else, they can mold them into whatever they want, I am living proof. The eventual spillovers of such policies would create an America where everyone who has learned has enjoyed the experience as much as humanly possible. An overly educated population leads to a much more productive and CIVILIZED society. Here, they will continue along the education process not only because it is generally required for success, but because they want to. We will stop creating fuckers like you who and I who hate the school system and create better, far superior citizens.
Re: Nope I actually read it today
anonymous
August 15 2006, 04:11:04 UTC
In our situations, yes it’s better to be educated by the bad system than not. I don’t want kids to IDOLIZE ANYONE IDIOT; I want them to RESPECT HUMAN CHARACTERISTICS OF SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE! Why? If they idolize human characteristics, then they can aim to be LIKE said person by having SIMILAR HUMAN CHARACTERISTICS. I want them to respect their successful parents, actors, musicians, doctors, lawyers everyone ELSE in society that EARNS THEIR FUCKING KEEP. When you IDOLIZE you AIM TO BECOME but YOU CAN NEVER BE SOMEONE ELSE! Do you not understand this? When you RESPECT, you aim to ACHIEVE like-mind ness and actions. You can’t even come up with the reasoning required for this level of thought? You still have no fucking clue what I want to be even after I told you. I’d humor you and say nice guess but really, it was quite pathetic. Even if someone knows that they want to be a poet, going to college and completing their education will be much less of a barrier because learning is as pleasant as it can ever be. Also, their parents will have made their value for it up there with shelter, food, water, clothing and oxygen. This is the never-ending cycle of learning I was talking about idiot. School isn’t going to teach you more, people will gradually want to learn more which leads to innovation. People will actual love the learning process enough to venture into more topics over time or teach themselves. They will raise better children because their values have all been impacted in a much better way. Did you think that I removed personal choice somehow? If you want to be an engineer, you’d still be a fucking engineer in my world, you’d just also know a SHIT ton more than say, you. Why? Because learning is no longer a problematic or stressful exercise due to duds in parenting, teaching, students or the system. How in GOD’S name did you MISS THIS WHOLE FUCKING POINT? Only you can tell me that Phil, seriously.
Re: Nope I actually read it today
anonymous
August 15 2006, 04:13:07 UTC
Don’t worry though you will fulfill your role. Your role is to be like every other person who sits there with a thumb up his or her ass THINKING that their way is right until their environment smacks them in the face. What you aim to be is simply what I’d become if I failed in life. How do I know I’ll succeed? Well I plan to never give up giving whatever lucks modifier is a real run for its money in terms of my success. So, I took lessons from Hitler… Did you completely miss the part about using the power to change the world for GOOD? Knowing you, I wouldn’t put it past ya. Yes yes, I know “the road to hell is paved with good intentions,” you engineers all love this one. My solution? I plan to stop paving if shit starts getting hotter, rethink and then reapply my efforts. Tell me Phil, how can I change the world without the things I listed off? Don’t go dribbling on your shirt now damnit this is an easy one! You and your children will be a product of everything I have to say and your grandchildren as well. I’m full of myself? That is correct, I am arrogant. The difference between us is that my arrogance is deserved while yours is merely claimed. Yes I know I know nothing but that didn’t turn my brain into mush like it apparently did in your case. While you’ve been having an “unproductive” summer I’ve been getting my hands “wet” with what you aimed at being, academia. I write, I read, and I study the business world. I’ve interned twice now with the first being $28 bucks an hour running a service department and the second one? Well looky here…teaching college students. Don’t worry though Phil because I’ve never seen an engineer amount to much more than a lab rat even if it drives a jag. Phew, thank God I don’t need your approval and that your words have little effect on me. I’d have been up shit’s creek without a paddle after you railed into me. I mean, people (unfit teachers) with Doctorates I brush off and here you are telling me a pile of shit that maybe you thought I’d accept? You who hasn’t the SLIGHEST fucking idea how the Business world works? Give me a fucking break. Sorry King Phil, your jurisdiction kind of ends right at the tip of my erected middle finger. Luckily for me, during my sophomore year I scored a 212 on the IQ test we take in MAPS and ever since then I’d been under close vigil by the business school. That’s another undisclosed fact. They too thought that because I had this amazing score I was worth a damn.
Re: Nope I actually read it today
anonymous
August 15 2006, 04:14:31 UTC
So I took it over and over driving it as low as 40 just to make them understand. I know I know, you take everything with a grain of salt so here, I took the national one for you.
Congratulations, Ron! You are a Top Scorer! Your IQ score is 127 This number is based on a scientific formula that compares how many questions you answered correctly on the Classic IQ Test relative to others.
Your Intellectual Type is Word Warrior. This means you have exceptional verbal skills. You can easily make sense of complex issues and take an unusually creative approach to solving problems. Your strengths also make you a visionary. Even without trying you're able to come up with lots of new and creative ideas. And that's just a small part of what we know about you from your test results. Read more...
Hah, 8 minutes later and I’m a “top scorer” who qualifies for other tests… Betcha wouldn’t know it just by looking at me huh? How many other people far smarter than me did this system destroy? I thought I had one pegged for sure but boy have you proved me wrong. However, like any good teacher, I'll go the extra mile until you no longer wish to learn.
Re: Nope I actually read it today
anonymous
August 15 2006, 04:15:10 UTC
Oh, and about your analysis of the situation. Everything YOU have said, someone has said, and they’ve said it fucking better. Everything YOU have done and WILL do (if you stick to your guns about being comfortable) someone has already done and BETTER. Everything you’ve ever thought of someone has already thought of and HAS exerted more effort in that than you ever have and ever will. YOU are the one with NOTHING to offer because you are in the middle of the bell curve. No one will care what YOU have to say because they have all said and done it before. Frankly, if I lived like that (and I have) I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass either. No? You’ve lived your life according to a mold that society has for you. Would you dare say that you are better than every other fucking person who has settled for society’s mold or mediocrity as I like to call it? I think not. Perhaps you’ll say that society is so powerful that no one in their damn minds can impact it. WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU LIVE!? Even though I doubt you will fail in your own life economically, every other person who has believes whole-heartedly, exactly what you do. If I really am “like a father before my time” then you would be the “ignorant son who has to learn with time that the father is right.” Perhaps in your own experiences, a backlash means its time to give up. Ben Fold’s and you think alike because you refuse to raise your head above the glass ceiling. No Phil, I’m not smarter than you I just tend to apparently use my brain and exercise my mind a tad bit (extreme understatement) more than you. I said on your wall that you are lazier than I in theory just not in execution for good reason. You can stop when you want to, this is what I do and besides, don’t kid yourself, you could never keep up. Are your eyes open yet?
P.S. Nobody has bigger guns than me, remember that.
It’s going to be pretty easy to drag a willing me to the Gym but I plan on being in there very early. I’ve decided to clean up my act. That’s right, I’m not 6 months from the real world, and I’m in the same program you are in. In January, I will STILL BE IN SCHOOL. When I’m done with my MBA, I plan to be working for Mr. Gates and Warren Buffet’s (the second richest man in the world whose own father told him a version of what you said to me) organization that’s all about changing you guessed it, Education and Parenting.
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Even if someone knows that they want to be a poet, going to college and completing their education will be much less of a barrier because learning is as pleasant as it can ever be. Also, their parents will have made their value for it up there with shelter, food, water, clothing and oxygen. This is the never-ending cycle of learning I was talking about idiot. School isn’t going to teach you more, people will gradually want to learn more which leads to innovation. People will actual love the learning process enough to venture into more topics over time or teach themselves. They will raise better children because their values have all been impacted in a much better way. Did you think that I removed personal choice somehow? If you want to be an engineer, you’d still be a fucking engineer in my world, you’d just also know a SHIT ton more than say, you. Why? Because learning is no longer a problematic or stressful exercise due to duds in parenting, teaching, students or the system. How in GOD’S name did you MISS THIS WHOLE FUCKING POINT? Only you can tell me that Phil, seriously.
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Phew, thank God I don’t need your approval and that your words have little effect on me. I’d have been up shit’s creek without a paddle after you railed into me. I mean, people (unfit teachers) with Doctorates I brush off and here you are telling me a pile of shit that maybe you thought I’d accept? You who hasn’t the SLIGHEST fucking idea how the Business world works? Give me a fucking break. Sorry King Phil, your jurisdiction kind of ends right at the tip of my erected middle finger. Luckily for me, during my sophomore year I scored a 212 on the IQ test we take in MAPS and ever since then I’d been under close vigil by the business school. That’s another undisclosed fact. They too thought that because I had this amazing score I was worth a damn.
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Congratulations, Ron! You are a Top Scorer!
Your IQ score is 127
This number is based on a scientific formula that compares how many questions you answered correctly on the Classic IQ Test relative to others.
Your Intellectual Type is Word Warrior. This means you have exceptional verbal skills. You can easily make sense of complex issues and take an unusually creative approach to solving problems. Your strengths also make you a visionary. Even without trying you're able to come up with lots of new and creative ideas. And that's just a small part of what we know about you from your test results. Read more...
Hah, 8 minutes later and I’m a “top scorer” who qualifies for other tests… Betcha wouldn’t know it just by looking at me huh? How many other people far smarter than me did this system destroy? I thought I had one pegged for sure but boy have you proved me wrong. However, like any good teacher, I'll go the extra mile until you no longer wish to learn.
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P.S. Nobody has bigger guns than me, remember that.
It’s going to be pretty easy to drag a willing me to the Gym but I plan on being in there very early. I’ve decided to clean up my act. That’s right, I’m not 6 months from the real world, and I’m in the same program you are in. In January, I will STILL BE IN SCHOOL. When I’m done with my MBA, I plan to be working for Mr. Gates and Warren Buffet’s (the second richest man in the world whose own father told him a version of what you said to me) organization that’s all about changing you guessed it, Education and Parenting.
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