[The DemonBoard Drama :: Part Four]
PART ONE
PART TWO
PART THREE
The Talk :: Third Time's A Charm [26092005]
JMM says:
you there manda?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
yah i think my msn is being stupid
JMM says:
i see
JMM says:
hey i want to make sure we are of the same understanding of why you are not an admin
JMM says:
then talk about why you were taken off the board
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
well id like some reasons
JMM says:
supposedly there are rumors about this i just want to set this straight
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
because ive had none
JMM says:
well the reason of the admin part we did talk about you and i briefly
JMM says:
did we not?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
very briefly
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i was told by lise that you were the one that banned me...
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
through someone
JMM says:
i thought it was best after your post and the problems
JMM says:
the admin part
JMM says:
honestly i do not know you and i cant have trouble on the board
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
it might have been
JMM says:
always have to protect david's interests in that way
JMM says:
i am sorry about it but i dont have choices in those things
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
but to tell you the truth, the board and its contact is half mine due to the work and hours ive put in
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
-content
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
and my dismissal was not called for
JMM says:
the only one who owns things of david's website is david
JMM says:
everything done is donated
JMM says:
when you donate your time and effort it is appreciated but it is not yours
JMM says:
do you disagree with that statement?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i know, but the thing is, i dont see how its fair to just remove and ban someone that has spent just as much time as lise getting everything organised and set with the board and the chat can be just tossed aside
JMM says:
lets talk about the admin part first
JMM says:
do you understand my position on that
JMM says:
and my position about *ownership* I suppose
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i do... but i dont know why lise's clash with me has anything to do with dave's security
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
because to be honest, this is all uncalled for, i was never given a reason and if she had a problem with me personally she should have come to me
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
not ignored my existance
JMM says:
I dont want fighting with something associated with dave
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
there was no fighting, lise took offense to something that wasnt intended to be offensive
JMM says:
thats the admin part of it ok? i'll talk to you more i just want to get that straight
JMM says:
i made a decision on that not lise
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
no but, she still took offense to it because otherwise it wouldnt have come to you
JMM says:
i am very sorry if my decision has upset or hurt you in any way
JMM says:
but you need to know it was me
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
to be honest, it really did
JMM says:
i am sorry
JMM says:
sometimes i have to do what i have to do
JMM says:
it is not personal for me at all
JMM says:
you seem like a nice person
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
of course not, its personal for lise and you cant afford to lose her, i know that
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
so no matter what you're going to do whats in lise's best interests provided it doesnt clash with daves
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i know that
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
ive known that from day one
JMM says:
ok
JMM says:
so look
JMM says:
i tried not to bar you from the board
JMM says:
the thing is, you were still acting like an admin
JMM says:
it sort of bothered me
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
yeah because im an idiot
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i was posting information that members wanted to see
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
because thats what i did
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
my brother was caught up in all this and was banned for no reason
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
id appreciate if he was unbanned because hes an unnecessary casulty in all this
JMM says:
manda i am going to talk to lise one more time about all this and that will be the end of it
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i need a reason
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
becausse honestly, i dont think her personal issues with me is good enough justification
JMM says:
i will talk to you one more time about it as well
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
because ultimately thats what it comes down to
JMM says:
i wont leave you wondering
JMM says:
but i cannot have problems on the board
JMM says:
or i cannot have the board
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i know you cant
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
but you know, when the admin lies to members about why i was banned theres something wrong
JMM says:
i will make my decision about this but i want you and anyone else to know it is my decision
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
the members are pissed
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
they are actually requesting to be removed from the board due to this decision
JMM says:
who?
JMM says:
i'll remove them if they like
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
oh dont worry lise already saw to that
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i dont see why you are taking the blame for banning me when i know you didnt do it
JMM says:
i did
JMM says:
i spoke to lise on the phone about it
JMM says:
i'
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
unless you have lise's password it didnt happen, because on the board you dont have that power
JMM says:
i've been working all weekend - i wasnt able to contact you
JMM says:
are you calling me a liar?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
no
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
theres no doubt in my mind it was your decision
JMM says:
i am going to talk to lise one more time about this
JMM says:
and see what i can work out if anything
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
her opinion wont change...
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
shes too stubborn for that, we both know that
JMM says:
it is my opinion as well
JMM says:
i am trying to be as civil as possible
JMM says:
but its just a board and i cant have problems there
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i know it is, but as i said before, ultimately you're going to do whats best for dave
JMM says:
thats right
JMM says:
i have to
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
and as for issues on the board; i dont know what they are
JMM says:
and i am not trying to hurt anyone
JMM says:
but i will do what i have to
JMM says:
one sec brb
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
the only thing i can see being an issue is the stuff ive been told and ive learnt from lise because she was teaching me the admin side of it all, just in case something happened to her
JMM says:
breezy sent a pretty mean email to lise about this too
JMM says:
you let breezy know this is my decision
JMM says:
i will email her too if i have to
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i know, she was upset, but i cant be responsible for her actions
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
apparently she emailed you too
JMM says:
havent seen it yet
JMM says:
look, you let me talk about this with lise and then i'll get back to you
JMM says:
i dont know if anything will change my mind about this though
JMM says:
i really cant have problems
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i doubt it will, i know you cant, i just dont understand why there is a problem in the first place
JMM says:
i've explained the reason you were removed from being an admin and you understand it right?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
to be honest, the only reason ive been given is because you cant have problems on the board
JMM says:
i've explained why i had lise remove your access to the board too right?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
but, i dont know why there was a problem to begin with
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
which has been my stand during this whole thing
JMM says:
in the end manda, we might have to agree to disagree
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
it seems to be the way its going
JMM says:
i didnt like what you wrote to lise on the admin board
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
what else could i do?
JMM says:
and i know, we discussed it already
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
she wouldnt talk to me, she ignored my emails, so i mean where else could i go
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
and honestly, i didnt say anything that was that bad
JMM says:
what exactly do you want manda?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i just told her i didnt appreciate her treating me the way she did
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
honestly, i want it all back, but you and i both know that it wont happen
JMM says:
it wont
JMM says:
your brother, he's a big wrestling fan?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
of course he is
JMM says:
i dont know him, i'm asking
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
he was a mod on the board too; but due to the recent situation he was banned
JMM says:
right
JMM says:
when lise is back online, she and i will talk about this
JMM says:
then i'll talk to you, ok?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
ok, im not expecting any different answers
JMM says:
i'm not saying there will be
JMM says:
i dont want you to be confused with who made the decision on this though ok?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
im not, i know that ultimately lise has to answer to you
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
but im not going to lie and say that lise's personal feelings werent involved in all this
JMM says:
i cannot speak about personal feelings
JMM says:
i dont know
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
to be honest, i want an explanation from lise why it upset her
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
because i know im not getting my status or my access back so there no point in even trying
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
regardless of what the members want
JMM says:
i have to finish my work here
JMM says:
i'll talk to you in a bit
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
ok; have fun
JMM says:
i wish it was fun
JMM says:
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
hehe
JMM says:
stupid broken servers
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
ahhh
JMM says:
bye for now
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
ok, bye
PART FOUR :: COMPLETE
PART FIVE
PART SIX
PART TWO
PART THREE
The Talk :: Third Time's A Charm [26092005]
JMM says:
you there manda?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
yah i think my msn is being stupid
JMM says:
i see
JMM says:
hey i want to make sure we are of the same understanding of why you are not an admin
JMM says:
then talk about why you were taken off the board
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
well id like some reasons
JMM says:
supposedly there are rumors about this i just want to set this straight
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
because ive had none
JMM says:
well the reason of the admin part we did talk about you and i briefly
JMM says:
did we not?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
very briefly
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i was told by lise that you were the one that banned me...
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
through someone
JMM says:
i thought it was best after your post and the problems
JMM says:
the admin part
JMM says:
honestly i do not know you and i cant have trouble on the board
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
it might have been
JMM says:
always have to protect david's interests in that way
JMM says:
i am sorry about it but i dont have choices in those things
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
but to tell you the truth, the board and its contact is half mine due to the work and hours ive put in
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
-content
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
and my dismissal was not called for
JMM says:
the only one who owns things of david's website is david
JMM says:
everything done is donated
JMM says:
when you donate your time and effort it is appreciated but it is not yours
JMM says:
do you disagree with that statement?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i know, but the thing is, i dont see how its fair to just remove and ban someone that has spent just as much time as lise getting everything organised and set with the board and the chat can be just tossed aside
JMM says:
lets talk about the admin part first
JMM says:
do you understand my position on that
JMM says:
and my position about *ownership* I suppose
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i do... but i dont know why lise's clash with me has anything to do with dave's security
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
because to be honest, this is all uncalled for, i was never given a reason and if she had a problem with me personally she should have come to me
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
not ignored my existance
JMM says:
I dont want fighting with something associated with dave
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
there was no fighting, lise took offense to something that wasnt intended to be offensive
JMM says:
thats the admin part of it ok? i'll talk to you more i just want to get that straight
JMM says:
i made a decision on that not lise
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
no but, she still took offense to it because otherwise it wouldnt have come to you
JMM says:
i am very sorry if my decision has upset or hurt you in any way
JMM says:
but you need to know it was me
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
to be honest, it really did
JMM says:
i am sorry
JMM says:
sometimes i have to do what i have to do
JMM says:
it is not personal for me at all
JMM says:
you seem like a nice person
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
of course not, its personal for lise and you cant afford to lose her, i know that
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
so no matter what you're going to do whats in lise's best interests provided it doesnt clash with daves
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i know that
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
ive known that from day one
JMM says:
ok
JMM says:
so look
JMM says:
i tried not to bar you from the board
JMM says:
the thing is, you were still acting like an admin
JMM says:
it sort of bothered me
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
yeah because im an idiot
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i was posting information that members wanted to see
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
because thats what i did
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
my brother was caught up in all this and was banned for no reason
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
id appreciate if he was unbanned because hes an unnecessary casulty in all this
JMM says:
manda i am going to talk to lise one more time about all this and that will be the end of it
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i need a reason
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
becausse honestly, i dont think her personal issues with me is good enough justification
JMM says:
i will talk to you one more time about it as well
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
because ultimately thats what it comes down to
JMM says:
i wont leave you wondering
JMM says:
but i cannot have problems on the board
JMM says:
or i cannot have the board
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i know you cant
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
but you know, when the admin lies to members about why i was banned theres something wrong
JMM says:
i will make my decision about this but i want you and anyone else to know it is my decision
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
the members are pissed
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
they are actually requesting to be removed from the board due to this decision
JMM says:
who?
JMM says:
i'll remove them if they like
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
oh dont worry lise already saw to that
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i dont see why you are taking the blame for banning me when i know you didnt do it
JMM says:
i did
JMM says:
i spoke to lise on the phone about it
JMM says:
i'
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
unless you have lise's password it didnt happen, because on the board you dont have that power
JMM says:
i've been working all weekend - i wasnt able to contact you
JMM says:
are you calling me a liar?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
no
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
theres no doubt in my mind it was your decision
JMM says:
i am going to talk to lise one more time about this
JMM says:
and see what i can work out if anything
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
her opinion wont change...
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
shes too stubborn for that, we both know that
JMM says:
it is my opinion as well
JMM says:
i am trying to be as civil as possible
JMM says:
but its just a board and i cant have problems there
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i know it is, but as i said before, ultimately you're going to do whats best for dave
JMM says:
thats right
JMM says:
i have to
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
and as for issues on the board; i dont know what they are
JMM says:
and i am not trying to hurt anyone
JMM says:
but i will do what i have to
JMM says:
one sec brb
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
the only thing i can see being an issue is the stuff ive been told and ive learnt from lise because she was teaching me the admin side of it all, just in case something happened to her
JMM says:
breezy sent a pretty mean email to lise about this too
JMM says:
you let breezy know this is my decision
JMM says:
i will email her too if i have to
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i know, she was upset, but i cant be responsible for her actions
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
apparently she emailed you too
JMM says:
havent seen it yet
JMM says:
look, you let me talk about this with lise and then i'll get back to you
JMM says:
i dont know if anything will change my mind about this though
JMM says:
i really cant have problems
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i doubt it will, i know you cant, i just dont understand why there is a problem in the first place
JMM says:
i've explained the reason you were removed from being an admin and you understand it right?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
to be honest, the only reason ive been given is because you cant have problems on the board
JMM says:
i've explained why i had lise remove your access to the board too right?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
but, i dont know why there was a problem to begin with
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
which has been my stand during this whole thing
JMM says:
in the end manda, we might have to agree to disagree
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
it seems to be the way its going
JMM says:
i didnt like what you wrote to lise on the admin board
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
what else could i do?
JMM says:
and i know, we discussed it already
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
she wouldnt talk to me, she ignored my emails, so i mean where else could i go
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
and honestly, i didnt say anything that was that bad
JMM says:
what exactly do you want manda?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
i just told her i didnt appreciate her treating me the way she did
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
honestly, i want it all back, but you and i both know that it wont happen
JMM says:
it wont
JMM says:
your brother, he's a big wrestling fan?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
of course he is
JMM says:
i dont know him, i'm asking
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
he was a mod on the board too; but due to the recent situation he was banned
JMM says:
right
JMM says:
when lise is back online, she and i will talk about this
JMM says:
then i'll talk to you, ok?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
ok, im not expecting any different answers
JMM says:
i'm not saying there will be
JMM says:
i dont want you to be confused with who made the decision on this though ok?
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
im not, i know that ultimately lise has to answer to you
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
but im not going to lie and say that lise's personal feelings werent involved in all this
JMM says:
i cannot speak about personal feelings
JMM says:
i dont know
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
to be honest, i want an explanation from lise why it upset her
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
because i know im not getting my status or my access back so there no point in even trying
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
regardless of what the members want
JMM says:
i have to finish my work here
JMM says:
i'll talk to you in a bit
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
ok; have fun
JMM says:
i wish it was fun
JMM says:
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
hehe
JMM says:
stupid broken servers
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
ahhh
JMM says:
bye for now
[Dark Dreams] :: 蔵夢 [Kura yume] says:
ok, bye
PART FOUR :: COMPLETE
PART FIVE
PART SIX