Batman Arguments I Make Over And Over

[90scartoonman]

Hanging out on the internet for so long, I find myself arguing the same thing over and over. This is true for many things, but I noticed that there are several Batman arguments I continually find myself making. So just for fun, I'll state all of them here. Feel free to agree or disagree, but it'll just be territory I've covered several times

Comments

[style92]

1.) Well yeah it makes sense. I wouldn't seriously suggest he has no buisness being there.

2.) Yeah. Come to think of it, I think I prefer the sincere Batman in a campy universe version to the "GenX/Y Ironic self-aware sophisticate heroes in an outlandish universe" of JLU. (I think I'm starting to finally figure out what the core of my problem with JLU was.)

3.) Think about this: would Reed Richards have a legitimate reason to fear being married to Sue? I mean yeah, the whole Spiderman "I can't marry you because my enemies will try to kill you to spite me" thing makes sense but it's very played, and not very sensical. I really would like it turned around on Bruce. Wonderwoman saying, "Bruce, I love you, but I can't Marry you. I know you can take care of yourself, but MY enemies inlcude the likes of Hades and Aries. I mean, they could fucking kill you AND send you to hell! Just to spite me. I'm sorry, I can't take that risk.

4.) This subject makes me glad BTAS exists in it's own little self-contained bubble. Batman using New Gen technology at Arkham is just something that shouldn't even be on the table of "what ifs."

5.) I actually think this is interpretational, depending on the context. For example, if you're refering to DCAU Batman and The Batman Batman, I'd refer to them as "Batmans". But, if you're referring to Bruce Wayne and Terry MaGuiness, I'd call them "Batmen." "Batmans" is a plural that maintains implied singularity, better for talking About Batmans from across the universe. Batmen is plural that implies inclusivity, better for legacies, like our favorite future dwelling dynamic duo.

6.) Batman wouldn't knowingly take a life. If push came to shove, the worst he'd do is "cut his losses." (If he has time to save only one person, and there are 2 people in jeapordy, and one is an innocent victim and the other the Joker, and he can't magic up a solution to save both, he really can only save one, he'd save the innocent. He'd still try to go back for the joker, but if he didn't make it, he wouldn't lose much sleep over it.)

This actually is related to something I've always wondered about. Some people, (including "The Old Maid" of Toonzone, who's opinion on DCAU Batman I respect above all others, though Maxie Zeus is a close second) interperet the post-flashback events of "Return of the Joker" as "Batman couldn't forgive Tim for violating his code of ethics, that is, taking a life, the Joker's. After the flash back, Batman fired Robin and threw him out of the house, but made sure at least he landed in the home of Leslie Thompkins, and not the cold hard street." Many people hold this opinion, but I just don't see it. I see no evidence that Bruce held the killing of Joker against Tim. I see tons of evidence that Bruce was guilt wracked over what happened, and couldn't face Tim, but made sure he got help from Leslie. Tim took offense at being fired, and left voluntarily. I guess it hinges on why Bruce fired Tim as Robin after that. A lot of people seem to think it was because Tim took a life and was therefore morally compromised. I just think that Bruce felt too guilty to put Tim in more danger. Hmm, I wonder if Bruce and Tim THEMSELVES got confused with why exactly tim got fired, and that's why they held a grudge. Misunderstanding.

[mattzimmer]

"This actually is related to something I've always wondered about. Some people, (including "The Old Maid" of Toonzone, who's opinion on DCAU Batman I respect above all others, though Maxie Zeus is a close second) interperet the post-flashback events of "Return of the Joker" as "Batman couldn't forgive Tim for violating his code of ethics, that is, taking a life, the Joker's. After the flash back, Batman fired Robin and threw him out of the house, but made sure at least he landed in the home of Leslie Thompkins, and not the cold hard street." Many people hold this opinion, but I just don't see it. I see no evidence that Bruce held the killing of Joker against Tim. I see tons of evidence that Bruce was guilt wracked over what happened, and couldn't face Tim, but made sure he got help from Leslie. Tim took offense at being fired, and left voluntarily. I guess it hinges on why Bruce fired Tim as Robin after that. A lot of people seem to think it was because Tim took a life and was therefore morally compromised. I just think that Bruce felt too guilty to put Tim in more danger. Hmm, I wonder if Bruce and Tim THEMSELVES got confused with why exactly tim got fired, and that's why they held a grudge. Misunderstanding."

I agree with this. I don't think Batman could possibly have held Tim killing the Joker against him. I think it was guilt and the fact that Batman had no way to deal with that on his own.

I love The Old Maid and Maxie Zeus too.

[90scartoonman]

Hm, so that's something you had against JLU? Interesting. I just find it refreshing to look back on previous depictions of Batman and to have him be a peak human crime fighter without being overly dark. The blue costume is even growing on me! But I still prefer the modern Batman, as long as he's not too much of a jerk.

You're right about Wonder Woman, but my main reason for taking that position in the argument is the way some people talk, you'd think Wonder Woman is completely invincible and nothing any of Batman's villains ever do could possibly hurt her.

I was mostly kidding about #5, but I guess it can go either way. I think I picked this up from Crisis on Infinite Earths (or perhaps Infinite Crisis) where they often said "The two Supermen", even though it was Earth 1 and Earth 2 Superman. I feel more comfortable saying "Of all the different Batmen, which is your favorite?" than "of all the different Batmans".

I'm glad you agree with me that Batman isn't a murderer, period. As for Tim, I think both of Bruce and Tim knew he could never be Robin again, or even be reminded of that world, which is why Leslie would be better help in rehabilitating him. I also read one theory that Tim turned 18 soon after and moved out on his own. Maybe Bruce and Tim never actually talked about it, and it got them confused about things.