News around the VSM !!!
Я обнаружил людей, которые занимаются Мульти-Агентными Системами (МАС) .
Один - сын эммигранта из России и живет в Англии - Георгий Ржевский (George Rzevski - http://www.rzevski.net/ ) .
Я увидел связь МАС c VSM Бира и написал Раулю Эспехо .
Ответ Рауля был очень заинтересованный !
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Leonid,
Thanks for your email. George Rzevsky may be right that there is scope for cooperation between Prigogine’s complexity and Stafford’s complexity...
this is a point that I’m exploring and have established contacts with people working along the lines of Multi-Agent Technology.
The VSM is an extraordinary theoretical framework that needs grounding in empirical work. This is at the core of the problems that organisational cybernetics has in getting a wider recognition.
Regarding my visiting chair at the Universidad of Santiago it was a rewarding experience. I discussed with 30 students the VSM and the Viplan Method for one month; they are now applying both in different companies and the idea is producing a selected group of papers for publication. This is project for the rest of this year.
I’ll explore the website of the Management Cybernetics Community in due course.
Raul
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И Рауль организовал встречу с Ржевским в Лондоне 21 января !
Встреча была очень интересной . Есть много материалов у Петра.
А у Ржевского вообще есть совместные с Россией (Петр Скобелев) консультативные фирмы на эту тему -
- http://www.magenta-technology.com/ru/company/managementboard/ .
Но главное, что Рауль поднял вопрос об организации в России какого-нибудь проекта на эту тему !!
Вот его предложение ! Какой-нибудь реальный проект ! Он готов приехать только с обеспечением проезда и проживания .
Вместе с Ржевским , который имеет связи в России , например здесь он указан (внизу)- http://www.futurerussia.ru/almanah.php .
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Leonid,
... you have received messages from George and me confirming that the meeting was very good... thanks for setting it up.
One point that came from the meeting was the possibility of running a project in which
I do the cybernetic modelling and he does the ‘agents’ modelling. This sounds fantastic however the catch is
that in addition we need a company where to do the work and about £ 50.000 (fifty thousand pounds)
to develop the software. I see this as a great opportunity to make a significant progress; the point is
getting the company and the funding. It crosses my mind that perhaps you can set up a company in Russia
willing to be the guinea pig; the advantage is that the software programmers are in Russia, George speaks
Russian and your son, not to mention you!, are interested in the subject... I would be the one needing more help.
Both George and I are prepared to this work without charging anything except for the travelling cost and expenses.
Then we would be in a better position to get funding for the software.
What do you think?
Raul
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Ну очень было бы интересно начать реальное внедрение VSM да еще с руководством Рауля
(технического директора Киберсин - http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BD ) .
Один - сын эммигранта из России и живет в Англии - Георгий Ржевский (George Rzevski - http://www.rzevski.net/ ) .
Я увидел связь МАС c VSM Бира и написал Раулю Эспехо .
Ответ Рауля был очень заинтересованный !
<<
Leonid,
Thanks for your email. George Rzevsky may be right that there is scope for cooperation between Prigogine’s complexity and Stafford’s complexity...
this is a point that I’m exploring and have established contacts with people working along the lines of Multi-Agent Technology.
The VSM is an extraordinary theoretical framework that needs grounding in empirical work. This is at the core of the problems that organisational cybernetics has in getting a wider recognition.
Regarding my visiting chair at the Universidad of Santiago it was a rewarding experience. I discussed with 30 students the VSM and the Viplan Method for one month; they are now applying both in different companies and the idea is producing a selected group of papers for publication. This is project for the rest of this year.
I’ll explore the website of the Management Cybernetics Community in due course.
Raul
>>
И Рауль организовал встречу с Ржевским в Лондоне 21 января !
Встреча была очень интересной . Есть много материалов у Петра.
А у Ржевского вообще есть совместные с Россией (Петр Скобелев) консультативные фирмы на эту тему -
- http://www.magenta-technology.com/ru/company/managementboard/ .
Но главное, что Рауль поднял вопрос об организации в России какого-нибудь проекта на эту тему !!
Вот его предложение ! Какой-нибудь реальный проект ! Он готов приехать только с обеспечением проезда и проживания .
Вместе с Ржевским , который имеет связи в России , например здесь он указан (внизу)- http://www.futurerussia.ru/almanah.php .
<<
Leonid,
... you have received messages from George and me confirming that the meeting was very good... thanks for setting it up.
One point that came from the meeting was the possibility of running a project in which
I do the cybernetic modelling and he does the ‘agents’ modelling. This sounds fantastic however the catch is
that in addition we need a company where to do the work and about £ 50.000 (fifty thousand pounds)
to develop the software. I see this as a great opportunity to make a significant progress; the point is
getting the company and the funding. It crosses my mind that perhaps you can set up a company in Russia
willing to be the guinea pig; the advantage is that the software programmers are in Russia, George speaks
Russian and your son, not to mention you!, are interested in the subject... I would be the one needing more help.
Both George and I are prepared to this work without charging anything except for the travelling cost and expenses.
Then we would be in a better position to get funding for the software.
What do you think?
Raul
>>
Ну очень было бы интересно начать реальное внедрение VSM да еще с руководством Рауля
(технического директора Киберсин - http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BD ) .