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[1842]

just a quick, public fyi: does everyone remember this picture?

well, whether you do or not, that's from september 2007, and the girl's name is courtney. she was(/is? i have no idea + it's unimportant) ryan's friend, and this was her birthday party. she also mentioned him in her journal in 2006 (his ~queer costume, lmao. obviously summer tour)

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[anonymous]

Um. Courtney doesn't know Z, she's talking about Z as a fan in that journal, I remember it from 2006. She doesn't actually know Z, she just has a girlcrush on her. Not to say Ryan hasn't been acting out as some sort of a hipster since 2006, just a totally different crowd of Vegas kids as opposed to the LA scene.

[1842]

i basically replied the same way to the other anon, but i didn't say he knew z back then, just that he was connected to her. you've pretty much got the only point i was trying to make - that he's been around people in popular scenes for years, it's not a new thing.

[anonymous]

sooooo, you're telling me, just because he talked to some girl who liked the like back in 06 means he didn't change? i don't see how this proves anything.

[1842]

nooo I'm saying he has been connected with that type of ~scene before he got involved with all the hipster friends now. long story short he didn't change overnight like some people seem to think he did

[anonymous]

yes, but how does a friend liking their music have anything to do with him being connected to them? just because she did doesn't mean he did. my friends like lil wayne, does that mean if i throw on some baggy jeans and a g-unit sweater tomorrow that it's okay because i was ~connected?

[1842]

well since the other anon (or you?) informed me the girl only liked the like as a fan, it's less about them and more about the people he was friends with. courtney and his other friends and even his lj straightedge days were all kinds of ~hipster cultures. the music part wasn't what I meant, sry if that got confusing. make any more sense?

[anonymous]

i guess so. i just don't see how he went from being a whiney, straight-edge emo to a dirty hipster who drinks/snorts as much coke as his body weight in the span of two years, and you're claiming he didn't change.

[1842]

I'm not so much claiming he hasn't changed as I'm claiming he's been a fan of what's popular for a long time. whiny straightedge emo kids were the fucking coolest thing in 04 and now the hipsters are the popular thing. pm he seems to adopt stereotypes of a certain time I guess

[repulsive_x]

screw this anon bsns.

yeah, well i've definitely noticed this (dont forget the skateboarding, high school faze), but it's one thing to follow the trend, and another to turn around, getting into things you once used to hound on people for, and then leave your band (two best friends included). i dont think it's who he hangs around with that bothers people, i think it's who he's become. tbh, ryan is just one poor, poor soul to me.

[1842]

well I love him a lot as I'm sure you can see + I know we disagree about the band business so i won't go there to avoid ~conflict but as much as I like him I think he's rly immature in a lot of aspects (like the popular culture stuff) and has a lot of growing up to do. I hope he gets to it eventually cause it's not like he's some hopeless case

[repulsive_x]

lol, well yeah we definitely don't see eye to eye there, because really that's all i see now when i see his pictures/read his twitter/etcetc.

i am really curious about this; i know you're a big keltie fan, so how come you don't feel any resentment towards him for what he's done to her?

[1842]

i do. i was one of v few of my friends who was ~upset about it but I also realize that shit like that happens all the time and even though it sucks I don't want to make myself quit liking a dude I enjoy just cause he fucked up, you know?

plus between when I was defending keltie left and right to now, she has proven lots of things to me re: her maturity that I don't like all that much. aka how she only talks about ~her heartbreak as if it's the only topic in the world

[repulsive_x]

yeaah, i can definitely see where you're coming from with regards to her maturity. i mean, i cant lie, i have never been keltie's biggest fan but it is quite sad how she's posting all about their breakup over the internet, especially when she knows what kind of fans he has (not that i dont mind the entertainment, because i cant lie, i do). it just seems very immature and a loud cry of attention for a what, twenty-six year old? i can see her posting stuff in the very beginning because she was obviously very upset and not thinking all that straight, but it's almost nearing a year now.

idk, my personal opinion.

[1842]

I still love her and I have to agree :/ ps I think she's 28. doesn't make any better lmao

one I particularly hated was her bitching about "the other girl" when she's writing a book that's 1/3 about relations and probably a good chunk will be about him. unfair as fuck

[repulsive_x]

oh man, 28? *facepalm* what a lucky bitch though, she certainly doesn't look it. i hope i look that good when i'm her age.

tbh, i'm pretty excited to see what exactly she's going to say in that book, and what dirt she's going to spread but if i'm looking at it through the non-selfish perspective it is unfair. what he did was really shitty, but idk, what did she really expect coming from him? she let him walk all over her for years. and it's a private thing, maybe if she wrote this a few years down the road when this has all blown over and they've moved on, and the book had other parts to it then sure, fine. but now? too soon and it's only making her look really bad and desperate.

[1842]

yep 29 in late January. 29th I think idk

but the book does have other parts, I think it deals primarily with her rockette dream and living in ny when she was dirt poor lol. still though idt it's fair to him OR her previous bfs she had mentioned by name in blogs