church history-provided by dot and jamie
last nights BBQ was AMAZING!!!! realllly.
and the grand finale was bangin' :)
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SOOO jamie and i had this long talk, pretty semi-dull. BUT i think everyone should take the time to read it when they are bored and see what they believe. see if it challenges your belief system at all..lol
what a dork i am.
and jamie actually let me ramble on.....
meretruth: so, tell me something interesting you've learned in your philosophy class lately
AnUndividedHeart: welllll
meretruth: It seems very interesting
AnUndividedHeart: the class im in right now
AnUndividedHeart: is more based on religions than actual philosophy
meretruth: yeah
AnUndividedHeart: im getting really confused about orthodoxy
AnUndividedHeart: do you know anything about it?
meretruth: not at all, enlighten m
meretruth: e
AnUndividedHeart: WELL
AnUndividedHeart: here we go
AnUndividedHeart: lol
AnUndividedHeart: when 'church' first began
AnUndividedHeart: way back
AnUndividedHeart: liek with paul and the early church
AnUndividedHeart: it was all one church
AnUndividedHeart: obviously because it just began
AnUndividedHeart: and as time passed
AnUndividedHeart: they set up structure..like pastors, bishops, blah blah
AnUndividedHeart: then they had these councils where they decided on doctrines..and what went in the bible
AnUndividedHeart: and just mapped out the basics of christianity
meretruth: hmm
AnUndividedHeart: it was all heavily voted on..a long process
AnUndividedHeart: then a pope came into power
AnUndividedHeart: mind you
AnUndividedHeart: popes back then doesnt mean the roman catholic popes we think of
AnUndividedHeart: this was all a natural way of church..went on while the bible was being written
AnUndividedHeart: and this one pope all alone deciced to change a little part of the nicene creed
AnUndividedHeart: which is the foundation of christianity
AnUndividedHeart: he added three words to it
meretruth: yeah, Ive heard of that
AnUndividedHeart: which actually changes a lot
meretruth: In my world history class
meretruth: so what is it
AnUndividedHeart: ahhh one sec
meretruth: okay
AnUndividedHeart: http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/creed.shtml
AnUndividedHeart: read it
meretruth: ah thanks
AnUndividedHeart: its short
meretruth: okay
AnUndividedHeart: And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father AND THE SON, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, Who spake by the Prophets;
AnUndividedHeart: is what was added
AnUndividedHeart: three words
meretruth: hmmm
AnUndividedHeart: if you believe every ounce of the creed you are a die hard christian
AnUndividedHeart: i mean its the basics
meretruth: yeah, of course
AnUndividedHeart: a good summary of the foundation of faith
AnUndividedHeart: which do you agree with the changed or unchanged version?
AnUndividedHeart: do you know?
meretruth: let me think for a second
meretruth: well, I dont really have any biblical backing
meretruth: I dont know what the holy spirit came from
meretruth: or where
AnUndividedHeart: from the father
AnUndividedHeart: but you see
AnUndividedHeart: the son gave it out to people too
AnUndividedHeart: but it was through the father
AnUndividedHeart: soo i think both versions are fine
AnUndividedHeart: lol
meretruth: yeah, I dont really see the argument
meretruth: its funny how these denominations are started
AnUndividedHeart: well i guess it was a HUGE DEAL
meretruth: yeah, I bet
AnUndividedHeart: this isnt denominations yet
AnUndividedHeart: this is just church
AnUndividedHeart: one
meretruth: oh
AnUndividedHeart: whole
AnUndividedHeart: the original church
AnUndividedHeart: very first
AnUndividedHeart: ok
AnUndividedHeart: well this thing happened
AnUndividedHeart: and it was actually called a schism
AnUndividedHeart: and thats when teh church split
AnUndividedHeart: roman catholic began
AnUndividedHeart: and orthodoxy continued
meretruth: so it was catholics and Orthodox at the time
meretruth: just those 2?
AnUndividedHeart: it was ortho catholic
AnUndividedHeart: that means
AnUndividedHeart: "the true way of the church"
AnUndividedHeart: see?
AnUndividedHeart: fickle eh
AnUndividedHeart: orthodox mean the true way
AnUndividedHeart: catholic alone means universal church
meretruth: yeah
meretruth: hmmm
AnUndividedHeart: anyhow it split
AnUndividedHeart: the "true way" ortho went on
AnUndividedHeart: the roman cath started
meretruth: wow, that was good thank you
AnUndividedHeart: and then ANOTHER schism
AnUndividedHeart: not done
AnUndividedHeart: lol
meretruth: haha ok
AnUndividedHeart: you asked
meretruth: continue
AnUndividedHeart: anotehr schism happened
AnUndividedHeart: in the roman catholic side
AnUndividedHeart: and thats where protestant started
meretruth: yeah
AnUndividedHeart: which is where baptist and pentecostal
meretruth: Luther!
AnUndividedHeart: and hundreds of denoms come from
AnUndividedHeart: SO
AnUndividedHeart: if you look at history
AnUndividedHeart: you see
AnUndividedHeart: roman cath branch off...and break again..and break again
AnUndividedHeart: and the only onnnne church that stayed strong and continue
AnUndividedHeart: d
AnUndividedHeart: without all the fighting
AnUndividedHeart: is orthodoxy
AnUndividedHeart: soooo makes you wonder which way really is the true way
meretruth: really
AnUndividedHeart: baffles me for sure
AnUndividedHeart: and you know i learned none of that in class
AnUndividedHeart: that was all side interest reading
AnUndividedHeart: i lived at the library for a weeks
meretruth: definitely, and this is why I enjoy this conversation so much
AnUndividedHeart: trying to figure it out
meretruth: I need to take that class
AnUndividedHeart: welll
meretruth: and catch up on my reading
AnUndividedHeart: its not really for the class
meretruth: yeah, I understand
AnUndividedHeart: we could write on whatever we wanted to in church history
AnUndividedHeart: and i chose this
AnUndividedHeart: because to me i think its essential to know
AnUndividedHeart: i mean
meretruth: yeah, if you care about anything you say you believe
AnUndividedHeart: iiickkk
AnUndividedHeart: im done
meretruth: no, that was incredible
meretruth: thank you
AnUndividedHeart: lol
AnUndividedHeart: that was loooooooong
AnUndividedHeart: sorry
meretruth: I mean seriously, if we are put on this planet for one person and you beleve in one
meretruth: God
AnUndividedHeart: i think i may post this on my live journal
meretruth: who wouldnt want to read about it\
meretruth: do it
AnUndividedHeart: to show everyone how cool you are because you didnt fall asleap!!!!
AnUndividedHeart: lol
meretruth: haha, heck yesh
and the grand finale was bangin' :)
___________________________________
SOOO jamie and i had this long talk, pretty semi-dull. BUT i think everyone should take the time to read it when they are bored and see what they believe. see if it challenges your belief system at all..lol
what a dork i am.
and jamie actually let me ramble on.....
meretruth: so, tell me something interesting you've learned in your philosophy class lately
AnUndividedHeart: welllll
meretruth: It seems very interesting
AnUndividedHeart: the class im in right now
AnUndividedHeart: is more based on religions than actual philosophy
meretruth: yeah
AnUndividedHeart: im getting really confused about orthodoxy
AnUndividedHeart: do you know anything about it?
meretruth: not at all, enlighten m
meretruth: e
AnUndividedHeart: WELL
AnUndividedHeart: here we go
AnUndividedHeart: lol
AnUndividedHeart: when 'church' first began
AnUndividedHeart: way back
AnUndividedHeart: liek with paul and the early church
AnUndividedHeart: it was all one church
AnUndividedHeart: obviously because it just began
AnUndividedHeart: and as time passed
AnUndividedHeart: they set up structure..like pastors, bishops, blah blah
AnUndividedHeart: then they had these councils where they decided on doctrines..and what went in the bible
AnUndividedHeart: and just mapped out the basics of christianity
meretruth: hmm
AnUndividedHeart: it was all heavily voted on..a long process
AnUndividedHeart: then a pope came into power
AnUndividedHeart: mind you
AnUndividedHeart: popes back then doesnt mean the roman catholic popes we think of
AnUndividedHeart: this was all a natural way of church..went on while the bible was being written
AnUndividedHeart: and this one pope all alone deciced to change a little part of the nicene creed
AnUndividedHeart: which is the foundation of christianity
AnUndividedHeart: he added three words to it
meretruth: yeah, Ive heard of that
AnUndividedHeart: which actually changes a lot
meretruth: In my world history class
meretruth: so what is it
AnUndividedHeart: ahhh one sec
meretruth: okay
AnUndividedHeart: http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/creed.shtml
AnUndividedHeart: read it
meretruth: ah thanks
AnUndividedHeart: its short
meretruth: okay
AnUndividedHeart: And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father AND THE SON, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, Who spake by the Prophets;
AnUndividedHeart: is what was added
AnUndividedHeart: three words
meretruth: hmmm
AnUndividedHeart: if you believe every ounce of the creed you are a die hard christian
AnUndividedHeart: i mean its the basics
meretruth: yeah, of course
AnUndividedHeart: a good summary of the foundation of faith
AnUndividedHeart: which do you agree with the changed or unchanged version?
AnUndividedHeart: do you know?
meretruth: let me think for a second
meretruth: well, I dont really have any biblical backing
meretruth: I dont know what the holy spirit came from
meretruth: or where
AnUndividedHeart: from the father
AnUndividedHeart: but you see
AnUndividedHeart: the son gave it out to people too
AnUndividedHeart: but it was through the father
AnUndividedHeart: soo i think both versions are fine
AnUndividedHeart: lol
meretruth: yeah, I dont really see the argument
meretruth: its funny how these denominations are started
AnUndividedHeart: well i guess it was a HUGE DEAL
meretruth: yeah, I bet
AnUndividedHeart: this isnt denominations yet
AnUndividedHeart: this is just church
AnUndividedHeart: one
meretruth: oh
AnUndividedHeart: whole
AnUndividedHeart: the original church
AnUndividedHeart: very first
AnUndividedHeart: ok
AnUndividedHeart: well this thing happened
AnUndividedHeart: and it was actually called a schism
AnUndividedHeart: and thats when teh church split
AnUndividedHeart: roman catholic began
AnUndividedHeart: and orthodoxy continued
meretruth: so it was catholics and Orthodox at the time
meretruth: just those 2?
AnUndividedHeart: it was ortho catholic
AnUndividedHeart: that means
AnUndividedHeart: "the true way of the church"
AnUndividedHeart: see?
AnUndividedHeart: fickle eh
AnUndividedHeart: orthodox mean the true way
AnUndividedHeart: catholic alone means universal church
meretruth: yeah
meretruth: hmmm
AnUndividedHeart: anyhow it split
AnUndividedHeart: the "true way" ortho went on
AnUndividedHeart: the roman cath started
meretruth: wow, that was good thank you
AnUndividedHeart: and then ANOTHER schism
AnUndividedHeart: not done
AnUndividedHeart: lol
meretruth: haha ok
AnUndividedHeart: you asked
meretruth: continue
AnUndividedHeart: anotehr schism happened
AnUndividedHeart: in the roman catholic side
AnUndividedHeart: and thats where protestant started
meretruth: yeah
AnUndividedHeart: which is where baptist and pentecostal
meretruth: Luther!
AnUndividedHeart: and hundreds of denoms come from
AnUndividedHeart: SO
AnUndividedHeart: if you look at history
AnUndividedHeart: you see
AnUndividedHeart: roman cath branch off...and break again..and break again
AnUndividedHeart: and the only onnnne church that stayed strong and continue
AnUndividedHeart: d
AnUndividedHeart: without all the fighting
AnUndividedHeart: is orthodoxy
AnUndividedHeart: soooo makes you wonder which way really is the true way
meretruth: really
AnUndividedHeart: baffles me for sure
AnUndividedHeart: and you know i learned none of that in class
AnUndividedHeart: that was all side interest reading
AnUndividedHeart: i lived at the library for a weeks
meretruth: definitely, and this is why I enjoy this conversation so much
AnUndividedHeart: trying to figure it out
meretruth: I need to take that class
AnUndividedHeart: welll
meretruth: and catch up on my reading
AnUndividedHeart: its not really for the class
meretruth: yeah, I understand
AnUndividedHeart: we could write on whatever we wanted to in church history
AnUndividedHeart: and i chose this
AnUndividedHeart: because to me i think its essential to know
AnUndividedHeart: i mean
meretruth: yeah, if you care about anything you say you believe
AnUndividedHeart: iiickkk
AnUndividedHeart: im done
meretruth: no, that was incredible
meretruth: thank you
AnUndividedHeart: lol
AnUndividedHeart: that was loooooooong
AnUndividedHeart: sorry
meretruth: I mean seriously, if we are put on this planet for one person and you beleve in one
meretruth: God
AnUndividedHeart: i think i may post this on my live journal
meretruth: who wouldnt want to read about it\
meretruth: do it
AnUndividedHeart: to show everyone how cool you are because you didnt fall asleap!!!!
AnUndividedHeart: lol
meretruth: haha, heck yesh